[Vampyr]

kenberg, on 2014-April-22, 16:59, said:

I can understand, sort of, the need for Israel to decide this person is a Jew, this other person is not.

Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone.

[Cyberyeti]

Vampyr, on 2014-April-23, 13:44, said:

Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone.

More that they'd have to let a lot more people in

[ArtK78]

Vampyr, on 2014-April-23, 13:44, said:

Quite. Otherwise they would be forced to extend basic human rights to everyone.

Don't go there.

You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them.

And be careful of the sources of your information.

[mike777]

The theology expressed in Job is indeed difficult to discuss and understand.

Book of Job

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Book of Job (/ˈdʒoʊb/; Hebrew: אִיוֹב Iyob) is one of the Writings (Ketuvim) of the Hebrew Bible, and the first poetical book in the Christian Old Testament.[1] Addressing the theme of God's justice in the face of human suffering - or more simply, "Why do the righteous suffer?"[2] - it is a rich theological work, setting out a variety of perspectives.[3

[Antrax]

ArtK78, on 2014-April-23, 14:50, said:

Don't go there.

I'm willing to go there. Have you seen the latest attempt to allow the country to legally discriminate between Arab Israelies based on their religion? Can you read Hebrew sources?

[mike777]

Antrax, on 2014-April-23, 21:35, said:

I'm willing to go there. Have you seen the latest attempt to allow the country to legally discriminate between Arab Israelies based on their religion? Can you read Hebrew sources?

Again why only quote part and out of context?
posters really need to stop doing this.

Pls quote in full

Don't go there.

You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them.

And be careful of the sources of your information
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You choose to ignore more than half the post and thus lose context.

[mike777]

dup

[Antrax]

Do you seriously find it difficult to look at the top of your screen when reading a post? I was replying to the next-to-last post in the thread, do you think people would've forgotten what it said by the time they got to mine, 2 posts below it?

[mike777]

bbo seems to dup all posts so I will stop.

[mike777]

Antrax, on 2014-April-23, 22:48, said:

Do you seriously find it difficult to look at the top of your screen when reading a post? I was replying to the next-to-last post in the thread, do you think people would've forgotten what it said by the time they got to mine, 2 posts below it?

Clearly you do not understand basic English. fair enough


You replied to Art's post...as I quoted you in full. You did not quote Art in full.
In fact you missed his main point
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To put it in the American vernacular:

1) two wrongs don't make a right

otoh

2) the constitution is not a suicide pact

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To wade into an intractable issue my take:

You have a tiny population religion with great economic/tech/other power vs a huge, really huge population religion with demographics on its side. All over a tiny piece of land with a long, vivid, religious history.

I don't see a solution that is not one State rather than two states but....
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I certainly don't envision a future without any religion or faith in a greater power than mankind.
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Of course if you accept evolution...mankind evolves.

[32519]

How do you guys currently observe the Day of Atonement now that the Levites are inactive?

[gwnn]

At the risk of derailing the thread The thing I like most about Satan is how in the basic Christian worldview he is a supernatural force, battling a larger supernatural force (God), through our day-to-day decisions. It seems to me quite difficult to resist supernatural temptation but of course we have the supernatural help of God. In effect we are all puppets in an eternal intergalactic tug-of-war. But if atheists say 'I don't believe any of this is true,' many Christians would be astonished that we can get up in the morning knowing that our decisions are made by atoms in our body and not by either one of the supernatural warlords. Of course there is free will, too, they would add, in the same way as being threatened simultaneously by two nuclear armies you could take free decisions.

[Cyberyeti]

ArtK78, on 2014-April-23, 14:50, said:

Don't go there.

You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them.

And be careful of the sources of your information.

I'd take Greece or either part of Cyprus, but only just.

[mike777]

that we can get up in the morning knowing that our decisions are made by atoms in our body and not by either one of the supernatural warlords. Of course there is free will, too, they would add, in the same way as being threatened


don't even get me started about spooky action at a distance


how tiny particles at the other end of the universe effect and affect your body

[MrAce]

ArtK78, on 2014-April-23, 14:50, said:

Don't go there.

Amen

ArtK78, on 2014-April-23, 14:50, said:

You might want to compare the human rights record of Israel against every country located within 1000 miles of them.

You said don't go there but you went yourself, so..

Since when the measures of human rights started to be defined OK or not OK by how better (or worse) you weigh on the scale compared to your neighbors? A regime or a country or a religion either violates or does not violate human rights, it is universal. FYI USA has borders with Mexico, especially with JUAREZ/MEXICO

ArtK78, on 2014-April-23, 14:50, said:

And be careful of the sources of your information.

Well...it is ironic to say this, when our own sources just sent this country to a war, with the claim of WOMD, which then later they tried to spin it to ties with Al-Qaeda which turned out to be a huge BS and then finally found its name "operation freedom!" causing too many people losing their homes, jobs, lives including their own soldiers, leaving behind a huge mess, economy, disabled people both mentally and physically.

If I were you I would neither be annoyed nor be careful by sources of any kind who claims there are/maybe human right violations but rather be careful with the sources that may end up sending your son, grandson, yourself, your friends or relatives to a war based on complete BS.

[kenberg]

gwnn, on 2014-April-24, 00:59, said:

At the risk of derailing the thread

This would be a sin.

And yes, Mike, I realize I only quoted part of the post. Another sin.

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Cyberyeti]

kenberg, on 2014-April-24, 05:12, said:

Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

To ruin an old joke

"Oh mother you ruin everything"

[barmar]

Re atoms and free will, see Tuesday's SMBC: