[fbear]

Playing strong NT, 5 card majors, 2/1 NOT GF, 1NT response NF, Jacoby 2NT and Bergen 3C/3D=6-9/10-12 with 4 card support, you pick up:-

KJx
Axx
KTxx
xxx

1S-(P)-2D-(2H)
2NT-(P)-?

How good (or bad) is partner's 2NT ?

[mgoetze]

Well, I don't believe it's forcing, too important to get NT rightsided when partner has a positional stopper. Thus, given that I have a truly disgusting minimum for my 2♦ bid, I'm going to pass.

[mgoetze]

Incidentally, your system is a bit weird... what would it take for you to answer 3♠?

[fbear]

mgoetze, on 2015-September-10, 14:00, said:

Incidentally, your system is a bit weird... what would it take for you to answer 3♠?

We play 1M-3M pre-emptive, 4 card support and not promising much else....

[mgoetze]

fbear, on 2015-September-10, 14:04, said:

We play 1M-3M pre-emptive, 4 card support and not promising much else....

Well, it seems you've got a hole in your system, then.

[fbear]

mgoetze, on 2015-September-10, 14:07, said:

Well, it seems you've got a hole in your system, then.

I don't see why.

1S-2D-any-3S would show 10-12 with 3 card support.

1S-2S <10 with 3 card support.

Bergen and Jacoby pick up the 4 card support hands with values.

I prefer 2/1 to be GF unless responder rebids their suit and Bergen 3C/3D to be 3/4 card support with 10-12 values, but I don't play that with the particular partner I was playing with. I think his preferred method is playable.

[mike777]

fbear, on 2015-September-10, 13:51, said:

Playing strong NT, 5 card majors, 2/1 NOT GF, 1NT response NF, Jacoby 2NT and Bergen 3C/3D=6-9/10-12 with 4 card support, you pick up:-

KJx
Axx
KTxx
xxx

1S-(P)-2D-(2H)
2NT-(P)-?

How good (or bad) is partner's 2NT ?

It seems your options are:
1) respond 2s to 1s if you feel this hand is less than invite or
2) respond 3s or 3nt now to 2nt.

I do not think pass is an option after 2nt. Opener is allowed to pass 2h with a really bad hand.

[mgoetze]

fbear, on 2015-September-10, 14:18, said:

I don't see why.

1S-2D-any-3S would show 10-12 with 3 card support.

Because this is normally a GF, you're hurting your slam bidding by taking this sequence away.

[fbear]

mike777, on 2015-September-10, 14:23, said:

It seems your options are:
1) respond 2s to 1s if you feel this hand is less than invite or
2) respond 3s or 3nt now to 2nt.

I do not think pass is an option after 2nt. Opener is allowed to pass 2h with a really bad hand.

I agree. I think if partner has a weak NT, he can pass.

I understand that when playing 2/1 GF he can pass forcing with an 18-19 balanced hand, but if 2/1 is not GF then opener has to be able to show that hand and a leap to 3NT seems too Fred Flintstone to me.

Partner held :- AT9xx Qxx Jxx AQ

As mgoetze points out, being able to bid 2NT over 2H may right side the contract but if you pass and partner doubles you can bid 2NT then losing nothing and being able to show 18-19 with a 2NT rebid rather than the agricultural 3NT.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

[mgoetze]

fbear, on 2015-September-11, 13:05, said:

As mgoetze points out, being able to bid 2NT over 2H may right side the contract but if you pass and partner doubles you can bid 2NT then losing nothing

How about if you pass and partner passes?

And if you say partner never passes then I have a great bidding plan for your 18-19 hand with a heart stopper: pass and then pass partner's double.

[Phil]

I don't hate sayc as much as mgoetze does but it seems unplayable to not be able to show diamonds and then set spades unless you're playing 3D as a SJS or something weird like that.

With the OP hand I think it would be better to load any limit raises into 2N. It just doesn't seem that important to show these crappy diamonds en route to...inviting.