EU Brexit thread
#101
Posted 2016-May-07, 12:35
#102
Posted 2016-May-07, 13:36
George Carlin
#103
Posted 2016-May-07, 14:26
fromageGB, on 2016-May-07, 10:38, said:
And of course they come in to the areas of maximum pressure because that's where the work is.
#104
Posted 2016-May-07, 15:33
Most people generally prefer to stay in their own countries IF they can see any future in it. Visiting is one thing, moving quite another. I've seldom met anyone who just loves moving at all, but especially to a place they don't speak the language well ( or at all), don't understand the food, music or customs and are often treated in ways they don't understand, sometimes with malice but often not. Such little things.. On a back road in Mexico I once said beeped "shave and a haircut" rhythm on the car horn to say thank you to a truck driver who had pulled over to the side of the road to let me pass. Two Mexican passengers both instantly went into hysterical laughter, telling me that I'd better not stop for at least another 20 miles for any reason whatsoever. Apparently a cheerful thanks! in Canada is accusing someone of doing unspeakable things with his mother in parts of Mexico.
#105
Posted 2016-May-07, 15:46
onoway, on 2016-May-07, 15:33, said:
The Syrian refugee crisis is certainly down to climate change. Who knows where it will crop up next...
#106
Posted 2016-May-07, 16:20
gwnn, on 2016-May-07, 13:36, said:
OK, found a short description. It is funny.
#107
Posted 2016-May-07, 17:21
Spain, France, England. All interested in land. (British land values and ownership are a classic case of too little, too much interest in acquiring etc.)
Gold, women etc. were secondary to the availability of land, ESPECIALLY as native americans had a very poor notion about land ownership, as they were transients and not interested in land that had provided what was available. Europeans understood fences, ownership and land rights.
France and Spain colonized around the world. England instituted genocide in BNA,(residential schools anyone?) and only left the French in Lower Canada "free" to pursue their heritage because they needed them to continue to steal land from the natives. The Americans continued the parade with Manifest Destiny and the "pacification" (read elimination) of all native peoples.
Human existence is a culture war that heats up into genocide when crowding occurs. So what else is new?
#108
Posted 2016-May-07, 17:39
Al_U_Card, on 2016-May-07, 17:21, said:
Gold, women etc. were secondary to the availability of land, ESPECIALLY as native americans had a very poor notion about land ownership, as they were transients and not interested in land that had provided what was available. Europeans understood fences, ownership and land rights.
The native Americans had a poor notion about land ownership? It is a completely artificial concept.
#109
Posted 2016-May-08, 04:52
fromageGB, on 2016-May-07, 10:38, said:
If the existing visa rules were applied to retiree Brits living in southern Spain, how many of them will be eligible? I wonder, does the UK Govt pay for their medical expenses incurred in Spain?
In any case, I concluded a long time ago that I favour the UK remaining inside the EU. Nothing will make me change my view....
#110
Posted 2016-May-08, 05:09
Zelandakh, on 2016-May-07, 15:46, said:
Climate change seems to be triggered by USA foreign policy. The influx of migrants to Europe from North Africa this year is already progressing at a higher rate than it was last year. Who shall we shoot up next?
No wonder O'Barmy does not agree with climate change mitigation.
#111
Posted 2016-May-08, 05:22
Vampyr, on 2016-May-07, 17:39, said:
Well, they certainly had definite concepts about land occupation, tribal (each Nation) delineations and the ability to raid other nation's encampments. (They are human after all.) Not having a notion about "owning" what is (relatively) free is, in itself, a concept.
#112
Posted 2016-May-08, 05:25
fromageGB, on 2016-May-08, 05:09, said:
No wonder O'Barmy does not agree with climate change mitigation.
A much more valid estimation, indeed. Syria is in a typical drought and overall, the Middle East is having more or less typical weather. The expenditures on weapons reap greater profits but the never-ending need for tax revenues does require "valid" justifications....like being able to change the weather.
#113
Posted 2016-May-15, 01:52
Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
2000 years earlier: "morituri te salutant"
"I will be with you, whatever". Blair to Bush, precursor to invasion of Iraq
#114
Posted 2016-May-15, 02:02
1eyedjack, on 2016-May-15, 01:52, said:
Seems a reasonable conclusion to having Obama back staying and Trump back leaving.
London UK
#115
Posted 2016-May-15, 04:21
#117
Posted 2016-May-15, 06:24
fromageGB, on 2016-May-15, 05:45, said:
Why? They need a broad church. It's hard enough for those of us who will be voting out from a lettish-wing position to stomach being in the same camp as Johnson, Gove, Grayling, Duncan Smith, Fox, etc.. Expecting us to accept Farage as well is one step too far.
#118
Posted 2016-May-15, 06:35
The only issue of significance AFAICS is that of elective, representative democracy. If, within a union, you have no say and little recourse for amendment or adjudication, then that union will not satisfy at least one party. Can unelected officials impose laws on GB? Can GB opt out or otherwise unilaterally avoid such situations? If not, then are they indeed a nation (of laws and people)?
#120
Posted 2016-May-15, 12:17
StevenG, on 2016-May-15, 06:24, said:
Those of us voting out from a centrist position have to tolerate left-wingers such as Ian Duncan Smith, but I see your point. However, UKIP has been advocating leave for a long time, it is the party's sole objective, and a coordinated approach with input from all concerned could have provided a very strong case for Brexit. As it is, it seems lacklustre, piecemeal, and ill-prepared.
Something else that disappoints me is Corbyn's bowing to the MPs rather than standing up for his principles. He does have principles, and was elected by the people for them. It is a shame.