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1NT with 5422

#1 User is offline   apollo1201 

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Posted 2016-April-08, 15:29

IMPs, all green, playing 15-17 NT, dealer you hold

Jx
AKJx
A9xxx
Qx

I am pretty sure someone raised a same question previously so I apologize if some of you have to repeat. But I dunno how to browse on my tablet...

With more scattered values in the blacks, it would be an easy wtp NT, with a little more HCP (in D especially) it would be an easy reverse, with H and S switched, opening 1D would create no rebidding issues.

However, you were dealt non of the above...

So what would you favor, and does vuln/scoring might change it?

Btw, if you open 1D and partner doesnt punish you by bidding S but bids 1H instead, how high do you raise (we never raise with 3 cd-support, 2H is 12-14, 3H is 15-17 with shortness expected as you didnt open 1NT...well finallynit is back to the start again)?
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Posted 2016-April-08, 15:49

Doubleton honours are perfect for 1nt.

The only issue is whether the hand's too bad (i.e. downgrade to 14). Not for me though.
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Posted 2016-April-08, 19:32

1) I open 1N.

2) This hand is worse than

xx
AKxx
AKxxx
xx

Would you raise to 3H on that?
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Posted 2016-April-08, 21:04

I open a diamond. If partner bids 1H, I raise to 3H showing 15-17 which is what I have. Over a spade I bid a no trump. If partner has C Axx or C Kxx, we want to play no trump from my side. If partner is 5-4 spades and hearts or 5-4 spades and diamonds he should bid again. Over 2C (not 2 over 1) I bid 2H, not showing extras but partner won't pass.
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Posted 2016-April-08, 21:11

1) 1N

2) 2H

Yeah, inconsistent. Bite me. On Akwoo's hand 2 I may raise to 3H
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Posted 2016-April-08, 21:58

1N. Dub honors are nice but the main suit sucks. But its still 15 and we live and die with it.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 00:58

I was taught many moons ago that a 5-4-2-2 distribution pointed to a trump rather
than a NoTrump contract. I would open 1 and if partner responded in spades
would 'borrow' a point and rebid 2 rather than rebid the skinny diamond suit.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 01:19

When we open strong 1nt, logically it should deny two doubletons in the hand in the most of situations.


If hold :
AKJx
Jx
A9xxx
Qx


It is reasonable for us to open 1 then 1, don't worry about rebidding.
But for 2452 shapes,it is not easy to handle with rebidding problem. So opening 1NT tends to be the last resort.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 06:17

This 7-loser hand might easily be downgraded to 14 p., so you open 1 d and over 1 sp bid 1 nt. Whatever partner bids now you have an answer.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 08:40

I feel like I've stepped into a time machine and landed in 1973 when I hear things like don't open 1N on 5422 and reverse on a mangy 15.

Next thing I hear will be is that our range should be 16-18!
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Posted 2016-April-09, 09:20

we are delighted to open 1NT or 1C on this shape. What's wrong with doubletons?
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Posted 2016-April-09, 09:42

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-April-09, 00:58, said:

I was taught many moons ago that a 5-4-2-2 distribution pointed to a trump rather
than a NoTrump contract.

The clue is in the "many moons ago", being when the popularity of that advice died out.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

Psyche (pron. sahy-kee): The human soul, spirit or mind (derived, personification thereof, beloved of Eros, Greek myth).
Masterminding (pron. mPosted ImagesPosted ImagetPosted Imager-mPosted ImagendPosted Imageing) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.

"Gentlemen, when the barrage lifts." 9th battalion, King's own Yorkshire light infantry,
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Posted 2016-April-09, 09:57

View Post1eyedjack, on 2016-April-08, 21:11, said:

1) 1N

2) 2H

Yeah, inconsistent. Bite me. On Akwoo's hand 2 I may raise to 3H

This, except that I would say akwoo's AK-based hand is an easy 3 rebid.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 10:33

Holding the red suits I think a 1NT opening is clear.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 17:02

I open pretty much every 5m422 hand in range 1nt no matter the honor placements. Leads to better auctions IMO (both when we open 1nt and when we don't). And if I'm in a position where I'm debating is this a 1NT opener or a different opener, I'd nearly always rather open 1NT.
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Posted 2016-April-09, 18:10

View PostfromageGB, on 2016-April-09, 09:20, said:

we are delighted to open 1NT or 1C on this shape.


I hope you meant 1.

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What's wrong with doubletons?


Jx and Qx.

View PostWesleyC, on 2016-April-09, 10:33, said:

Holding the red suits I think a 1NT opening is clear.


While the holding in the black suits make 1 clear.
How much better is Jx and Qx than xx and xx?
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Posted 2016-April-10, 04:04

View Postjogs, on 2016-April-09, 18:10, said:

I hope you meant 1.

Well it would be 1 if not playing balanced/unbalanced. As 1 is the 1NT opening for different strengths, I have no compunction with either.
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Posted 2016-April-10, 08:44

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-April-09, 00:58, said:

I would open 1 and if partner responded in spades
would 'borrow' a point and rebid 2 rather than rebid the skinny diamond suit.

Oh dear. This isn't in the same timezone as a reverse. I presume you've read some book that says a reverse shows 16 points. It doesn't.
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Posted 2016-April-11, 12:13

1NT seems a good idea. Looks like 1NT, if you forget one small diamond. When is it going to matter anyway. I have to make a bigger lie later. 5 or more require some effort from partner, why not give him the good news right away. If one card makes partner to missjudge the situation, perhaps he should give me one more chance to value my cards. What else, I have 21/2 response to 1, an obvious repid problem after 1 or 1N.
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Posted 2016-April-12, 07:08

Wot Zel said.
"Pass is your friend" - my brother in law - who likes to bid a lot.
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