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Posted 2016-June-26, 03:47



2s weak imps
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Posted 2016-June-26, 04:04

4♠
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Posted 2016-June-26, 04:21

View PostMrAce, on 2016-June-26, 04:04, said:

4♠


Agreed, there is too much danger that a good 6/7♥ is going off. I want to preempt to get them to play in their heart fit rather than their better minor fit, but not so hard they actually double me.
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Posted 2016-June-26, 05:07

Agree with 4♠.

Sorry to hijack, but if it was instead...

What now?
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Posted 2016-June-26, 07:55


Eagles123's hand.
2s weak imps
I rank
1. 4♠ = PRE. Some defence against slams.
2. 3♠ = PRE.
3. Pass
4. 5♠ = PRE.

Shyam's hijack

I rank
1. 4♥ = PRE.
2. 5♥ = PRE gives opponents room to settle in 5♠. You might push opponents into a slam but you do have some defence.
3. 3♥ = PRE.
4. Pass

Another variant.

I rank
1. 4♠ = PRE. Defence prospects are bleak.
2. Pass
3. 3♠ = PRE.
4. 5♠ = PRE. You have sparse defence, so IMO this is dangerous,

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Posted 2016-June-26, 09:34

At these colors I would not consider anything but 4S. Might be -300, might be -1100 but expect -500/-800 most of the time. 3S still gives them a cuebid.

However, I expect some slams will make and if they get a free ride they more likely will get there.
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Posted 2016-June-26, 11:25

4 ♠ in a flash.
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Posted 2016-June-26, 11:29

4M in both cases is clear.
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Posted 2016-June-26, 17:12

4 beyond auto. How could anything else be right?
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Posted 2016-June-26, 17:54

View PostTylerE, on 2016-June-26, 17:12, said:

4 beyond auto. How could anything else be right?

Agreed 100%
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Posted 2016-June-27, 09:07

View PostWesleyC, on 2016-June-26, 11:29, said:

4M in both cases is clear.


The reason for including my variant was to check if anyone would raise all the way to 5♥ as a blocking move. e.g. Nigel ranked it as his second choice
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Posted 2016-June-27, 11:14

View PostTylerE, on 2016-June-26, 17:12, said:

4 beyond auto. How could anything else be right?

View Postneilkaz, on 2016-June-26, 17:54, said:

Agreed 100%

At these colors, it could be right to bid 5♠ over 5♥, 5♦ or 5♣. In which case shouldn't we consider (at least briefly) doing it up front?
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Posted 2016-June-27, 11:39

View Postbillw55, on 2016-June-27, 11:14, said:

At these colors, it could be right to bid 5♠ over 5♥, 5♦ or 5♣. In which case shouldn't we consider (at least briefly) doing it up front?


Bidding 5 to block just looks wrong with 4 trump (a spade might cash / 5M will not be cheap), 4 cards in the other major (handling issues?) and no void (we want some hope of making a Lightner x if they bid 6).
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Posted 2016-June-27, 12:11

View Postbillw55, on 2016-June-27, 11:14, said:

At these colors, it could be right to bid 5♠ over 5♥, 5♦ or 5♣. In which case shouldn't we consider (at least briefly) doing it up front?


If you give partner ♠ KQJxxx ♥ xx ♦ xx ♣ xxx , you are down 800 in five spades and they have a grand. You don't want to push them to six. You rather settle for minus 640 or whatever.
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Posted 2016-June-27, 14:11

4♠ is enough pressure here without painting them into the doubling corner but if it was hearts I would steal blackwood with 5 of them.
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