[Phil]

Matchpoints, good field NV vs NV.

Txx AKxx AKJTx x

1D p p 1S
?

1D is 10-15, 2+

[bigbenvic]

Phil, on 2016-August-24, 19:49, said:

Matchpoints, good field NV vs NV.

Txx AKxx AKJTx x

1D p p 1S
?

1D is 10-15, 2+

This is a rock of a 15 count, I'm backing in for sure, would 2H show just a 4-5 or would it suggest more shape than I have?

[mike777]

I will try pass, pard is still allowed to balance.


I had my opening bid. The one thing the big one thing is I do not want to bid both my hand and partners hand.

In any event I do not think we are allowed to ask detailed questions about our agreements regarding competitive bidding at this point.

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now if you want to upgrade this hand to a strong club that is another discussion.

[MrAce]

bigbenvic, on 2016-August-24, 21:30, said:

This is a rock of a 15 count, I'm backing in for sure, would 2H show just a 4-5 or would it suggest more shape than I have?

To me it will suggest more shape and not hcps.

Why don't we double and if pd bids 2-3 ♣ correct it to diamonds, to show red suits?

[The_Badger]

hi phil,

You wouldn't have had this problem as you'd be bidding 2♦ now if you'd opened 1♣ which I assume is 16+

That hand is an upgrade. K&R puts it at 18.95!

It looked an upgrade, it smelt an upgrade, and lo and behold it is a well-serious upgrade

[Cyberyeti]

The_Badger, on 2016-August-25, 00:55, said:

hi phil,

You wouldn't have had this problem as you'd be bidding 2♦ now if you'd opened 1♣ which I assume is 16+

That hand is an upgrade. K&R puts it at 18.95!

It looked an upgrade, it smelt an upgrade, and lo and behold it is a well-serious upgrade

This: my first thought was that this is not a 15 count

[Phil]

I considered 1C.

Partner has xxx Xxxx qx jt9x. In order to win any matchpoints on this hand you need to compete to 3H.

If I open 1C it would start 1D 1S. 2D by me buries the hearts. If I pass, partner can reopen with a x, but it doesn't help us much either.

After some consideration 1N over 1S should show this hand type or at least a 2nd place to play. I don't know if that's enough to get him to take a call bUT it's the best I can see.

[Fluffy]

1NT is usually 5+♦-4♣

You are heavily outgunned on this hand, don't thin we have anything to win bidding.

[Cyberyeti]

Fluffy, on 2016-August-25, 10:56, said:

1NT is usually 5+♦-4♣

You are heavily outgunned on this hand, don't thin we have anything to win bidding.

Really ?

x, Qxxxx, any 7 cards makes 4♥ decent, yes you haven't beaten 4♠ yet, but it could easily be your hand.

[MrAce]

Phil, on 2016-August-25, 08:42, said:

I considered 1C.

Partner has xxx Xxxx qx jt9x. In order to win any matchpoints on this hand you need to compete to 3H.

If I open 1C it would start 1D 1S. 2D by me buries the hearts. If I pass, partner can reopen with a x, but it doesn't help us much either.

After some consideration 1N over 1S should show this hand type or at least a 2nd place to play. I don't know if that's enough to get him to take a call bUT it's the best I can see.

What do you think double and correcting club response to diamonds show? You are playing precision so your DBL can not be due to monster hcp. It is take out. Pd will understand your problem when you correct clubs to diamonds, since you did not bid 2♦ over 1♠. This way direct 2♥ over 1 spade shows more shape and with this 5-4 you do not have to go to 3 level in case no ♥ fit.

This also allows you to play 1 NT 6+4 minors, where 2♣ shows 5-5 or more shape.

[Phil]

MrAce, on 2016-August-25, 14:04, said:

What do you think double and correcting club response to diamonds show? You are playing precision so your DBL can not be due to monster hcp. It is take out. Pd will understand your problem when you correct clubs to diamonds, since you did not bid 2♦ over 1♠. This way direct 2♥ over 1 spade shows more shape and with this 5-4 you do not have to go to 3 level in case no ♥ fit.

This also allows you to play 1 NT 6+4 minors, where 2♣ shows 5-5 or more shape.

That's great if we get a free run but the opponents might raise spades and we are rolling out our plan at the three level -which is less dangerous if they have a fit I suppose.

Not crazy about using 1N to parse out different minor hands although maybe 5D and 4 of a side suit is reasonable.

[rmnka447]

If you decide to open a limited 1 ♦, then I think you've got to double as you've about the best hand you ever could have.

If partner bids 2 ♣, I think you have an easy 2 ♦ rebid showing strength and ♥. There's not much danger in partner bidding 3 ♣ after an initial pass. If partner does somehow cough out a 3 ♣ bid, I think you seat. It certainly looks like you've 4 tricks for partner if not any ♣.

Passing out 1 ♠ is unlikely to get you anything at matchpoints.

[Kaitlyn S]

MrAce, on 2016-August-24, 23:07, said:

To me it will suggest more shape and not hcps.

Why don't we double and if pd bids 2-3 ♣ correct it to diamonds, to show red suits?

That would work really well unless spades got raised (or jump raised) and now partner bids clubs.

Edit: I now see that Phil posted the same thing.

[MrAce]

Kaitlyn S, on 2016-August-27, 15:42, said:

That would work really well unless spades got raised (or jump raised) and now partner bids clubs.

Edit: I now see that Phil posted the same thing.

What you and Phil are missing (to my surprise) is, if spades get raised, especially jump raised, that places pd with spade shortness, which means you will be even safer to correct clubs to diamonds.