[dickiegera]

Playing walsh over a 1♣ opening what bids are to be alerted?

1♦?
What if diamond bidder has less than 4 cards in diamond suit?

1 Major?

After 1♦ bid does 1NT [ may have a 4 card Major] need to be alerted?

Thank you

[blackshoe]

dickiegera, on 2017-July-26, 09:04, said:

Playing walsh over a 1♣ opening what bids are to be alerted?

1♦?
What if diamond bidder has less than 4 cards in diamond suit?

1 Major?

After 1♦ bid does 1NT [ may have a 4 card Major] need to be alerted?

Thank you

Playing Walsh, you bypass 1♦ to bid your major when you're weak. This does not require an alert, even if you're bypassing a six card diamond suit. If you bid diamonds naturally (and a three card diamond suit is "natural") then no alert is required. A natural 1NT rebid does not require an alert, even if it bypasses a four card major.

[barmar]

Tonight in the midnight zip, I opened 1♣, and my partner (not a regular partner -- we play about one midnight game every NABC) bid 1♦ with 3=3=2=5 shape. He was in between the strengths required for preemptive and inverted raises, and his majors were poor so he preferred to get me to bid 1NT (which I did, having 4=3=3=3 shape).

I suppose if we were a regular partnership and we have sufficient experience with this kind of bid the 1♦ bid should be alerted. But I was just as surprised as everyone else when he put down the dummy with only 2 diamonds.

[ggwhiz]

barmar, on 2017-July-28, 00:01, said:

Tonight in the midnight zip,

Back in my midnight days standard Directing equipment was 2 bottles of wine.

Was there a Director call for failure to alert?

[barmar]

ggwhiz, on 2017-July-28, 09:14, said:

Back in my midnight days standard Directing equipment was 2 bottles of wine.

Was there a Director call for failure to alert?

Of course not.

The opponents were playing an incredibly weird system: no artificial bids at all. It's probably not ACBL legal, since there's no specified range for 1NT, you bid it if you think you can take 7 tricks.

[blackshoe]

barmar, on 2017-July-28, 22:01, said:

Of course not.

The opponents were playing an incredibly weird system: no artificial bids at all. It's probably not ACBL legal, since there's no specified range for 1NT, you bid it if you think you can take 7 tricks.

Sure, but also you think you can do that before the opponents take seven tricks. Note also that however many tricks you think you can take, an unbalanced hand cannot bid a natural 1NT.

[steve2005]

barmar, on 2017-July-28, 00:01, said:

I opened 1♣, and my partner bid 1♦ with 3=3=2=5 shape. He was in between the strengths required for preemptive and inverted raises, and his majors were poor so he preferred to get me to bid 1NT (which I did, having 4=3=3=3 shape).

Even not playing Walsh you could get stuck with 3=3=2=5.
In standard there is no forcing raise for clubs so what are you supposed to do with 20+ hcp?

[bravejason]

steve2005, on 2017-July-30, 11:58, said:

Even not playing Walsh you could get stuck with 3=3=2=5.
In standard there is no forcing raise for clubs so what are you supposed to do with 20+ hcp?

I'd check my horoscope and then choose among 5C, 6C, 3NT, or 6NT. Alternately, I might jump shift in a major and hope partner doesn't have four cards in it so I can show the clubs on my next turn.

[barmar]

steve2005, on 2017-July-30, 11:58, said:

Even not playing Walsh you could get stuck with 3=3=2=5.
In standard there is no forcing raise for clubs so what are you supposed to do with 20+ hcp?

All bidding systems have holes. But this is why inverted minors are so popular.

[pigpenz]

max hardy used to have what he called a hasty heart, bidding a 3 card major