[malbaby]

I am sitting west...north opens 1 club... partner bids 2 spades...south passes...I have...
Q
AKJ73
A98654
K

[Lord Molyb]

pass

[ahydra]

Please use the hand diagram:

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and state vulnerability and form of scoring.

In particular, vulnerability and pre-empt style is important here - if partner's likely got rubbish, we'd probably be best passing, but otherwise we might try 3H to see if we can get to 4H (we don't mind playing 3S).

ahydra

[nige1]

I rank
1. Pass = NAT
2. 2N = REL In case Partner has a ♥ feature
3. 3♥ = NAT F1.
4. 4♠ = NAT
5. 3♠ = NAT Hoping that opponents protect.

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[malbaby]

ahydra, on 2018-March-30, 20:44, said:

Please use the hand diagram:

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and state vulnerability and form of scoring.

In particular, vulnerability and pre-empt style is important here - if partner's likely got rubbish, we'd probably be best passing, but otherwise we might try 3H to see if we can get to 4H (we don't mind playing 3S).

ahydra

not vul...scoring as pairs....partner not always predictable...lol....would have 5-6 card suit close to 10 hcp.

[malbaby]

Partner [East] in fact had ..
KT9862..s
873.....h
K.......d
962.....c
I think a 1S overcall would have been the correct bid?

[steve2005]

malbaby, on 2018-March-30, 22:12, said:

Partner [East] in fact had ..
KT9862..s
873.....h
K.......d
962.....c
I think a 1S overcall would have been the correct bid?

I think pass would be correct. 9 loser hand. Easily could have 0 tricks in a non-spade contract.
If you bid on this rubbish fine is no problem go ahead. But if you make bid on 10 hcp hand poster mentioned also, your partner won't know what to do often.

[FelicityR]

steve2005, on 2018-March-31, 01:47, said:

I think pass would be correct. 9 loser hand. Easily could have 0 tricks in a non-spade contract.
If you bid on this rubbish fine is no problem go ahead. But if you make bid on 10 hcp hand poster mentioned also, your partner won't know what to do often.

I agree. It's virtually no different if you open 2♠ on this poor hand before partner's made a bid. With the opponents having opened and partner still to bid, you just make it more difficult for him if he has a strong hand as is the case here. There's always an opportunity to protect in ♠s later in the auction so I think it's prudent to pass initially.

[Cyberyeti]

I would pass like a shot, yes it's possible partner has AJ10xxx, x, Kxxx, xx and you've missed a game or even slam but 90% of the time you're in a reasonable place.

[ggwhiz]

ahydra, on 2018-March-30, 20:44, said:

In particular, vulnerability and pre-empt style is important here

"Important" is an underbid.

I would bid a forcing 3♥ like a shot with my regular partner and pass even faster with my 2 most frequent casual partners.

[rmnka447]

I'm a passer also. The hand sounds like a misfit and your ♠ Q and 3 other sure tricks are useful at a ♠ contract. A ♠ game may be problematic as partner may have ♣ losers that you can't help with after your ♠ is removed.

[Winstonm]

I think I might look for a different partner.

[P_Marlowe]

malbaby, on 2018-March-30, 22:12, said:

Partner [East] in fact had ..
KT9862..s
873.....h
K.......d
962.....c
I think a 1S overcall would have been the correct bid?

If you bid, than 2S is better than 1S.
Should you bid? In the end this is a matter of partnership agreement and a
matter of style, which is importnant to know.
If you have Qx or Qxx in partners suit, than the question is, how much do
you need to make a move, and if the preempts are two wide ranging, you will
quite often guess wrong, with the singleton Queen you have no guess.
(Scoring matters also, at pairs missing game is not the end of the world, sometimes,
it does not make).

we would not, 2S would be ok for us at green vs. red, or if the singleton
king would be Kx.

[gszes]

game seems t be a low % probability. If this is MP I see little to do other than pass. If the opps balance with 3c I will be tempted to bid 3s. At IMPS missing game (especially vul) can be irritating and I would feel compelled to bid 2n. If p shows a decent hand and cannot show a club feature we should have a great shot at either 5d or 4h or even 4s and maybe more. At IMPS it seems worthwhile to use another level to properly gauge strain and level.

[MrAce]

malbaby, on 2018-March-30, 22:12, said:

Partner [East] in fact had ..
KT9862..s
873.....h
K.......d
962.....c
I think a 1S overcall would have been the correct bid?

1 ♠ would be an awful bid.
2 ♠ with this hand is textbook imo when white.

I know i am in minority in BBF, i been saying the same thing for years.
I was hoping that BBF members would start to question themselves after recent Bermuda Bowl, Europeans and Vandy, where the example hand you gave would look like a 2♣ opener compared to expert standard preempts we witnessed there and was made very frequently!
But i know people here will keep on playing in their bubble house and support each other that hand should not preempt. And in the past I used to debate and argue with them but lately I do not do that anymore. When someone has a firewall in his mind that won't allow anything beyond their own standard that failed them so many years, you have to stop trying to penetrate that firewall and leave'em alone.