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What is 3C here? Is it invitational, does it show extra's or is it only (good) 6-card Club and to compete?
You did bid 1NT holding:
KJx
KJx
xxxx
Jxx
3NT now or Pass?
Would this be different in IMP's?
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3C or 3D Is it strong or to compete?
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Posted 2005-May-31, 07:31
3♣: to play
that doesn't mean you can't bid 3NT, if you wanna gamble 9 tricks you might be right, but I don't feel good about it, I would pass.
that doesn't mean you can't bid 3NT, if you wanna gamble 9 tricks you might be right, but I don't feel good about it, I would pass.
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Posted 2005-May-31, 08:06
3C is not invitational. You can bid 3N on some hands but its more a competitive bid and can be based on a soundish minimum. This is definitely the wrong hand to be trying 3N on. The right type of hand would be
Axx
Axx
xxxx
Qxx
Where you can expect to run 9 fast ones.
Axx
Axx
xxxx
Qxx
Where you can expect to run 9 fast ones.
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Posted 2005-May-31, 08:10
3♣ shows a good 6+ card suit, but doesn't promise extras. If opener is strong he could rebid 2NT (invitational) or 3NT. Clear pass for me.
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Posted 2005-May-31, 12:32
kgr, on May 31 2005, 08:08 AM, said:
MP's
1C-(DBL)-1NT-(2H)
3C-(P)-
What is 3C here? Is it invitational, does it show extra's or is it only (good) 6-card Club and to compete?
You did bid 1NT holding:
KJx
KJx
xxxx
Jxx
3NT now or Pass?
Would this be different in IMP's?
1C-(DBL)-1NT-(2H)
3C-(P)-
What is 3C here? Is it invitational, does it show extra's or is it only (good) 6-card Club and to compete?
You did bid 1NT holding:
KJx
KJx
xxxx
Jxx
3NT now or Pass?
Would this be different in IMP's?
Great example hand of not bidding your values twice. You told p you got 8hcp and major suit stoppers, your hand has not improved. Note the maximum hand in Justin's example with 2 bullets, now you got values you have not shown.
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Posted 2005-May-31, 16:56
A similar question - how strong is 1D-(P)-1N-(2H), 3C?
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Posted 2005-May-31, 17:15
I'd bid 3NT. Give opener a hand such as:
Ax
xx
Qxx
AQTxxx
This seems like a fairly minimum hand to me, but 3NT has pretty good chances. The club finesse is very likely to be on, since the double presumably indicates short clubs, and the free 2♥ bid implies some values (which easily could include the club king). I'd rate it as slightly above fifty percent.
Of course, this depends a bit on exactly how sound your minor suit openings are, as well as things like the meaning of opener's double (penalty? takeout? maximal?) and opener's 2NT (invitational? good/bad? pick a minor?).
Ax
xx
Qxx
AQTxxx
This seems like a fairly minimum hand to me, but 3NT has pretty good chances. The club finesse is very likely to be on, since the double presumably indicates short clubs, and the free 2♥ bid implies some values (which easily could include the club king). I'd rate it as slightly above fifty percent.
Of course, this depends a bit on exactly how sound your minor suit openings are, as well as things like the meaning of opener's double (penalty? takeout? maximal?) and opener's 2NT (invitational? good/bad? pick a minor?).
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Posted 2005-May-31, 18:04
I agree with JLall, but would go even further that the Q of clubs in his example is almost as important as one of the aces.
If fact, if I held: AKx, J10xx, xxxx, Qx, I would still bid 3N expecting to run 6-7 clubs tricks. Expected hand opposite? xxx, x Axx, AKJ9xxx would be about right on the bidding.
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If fact, if I held: AKx, J10xx, xxxx, Qx, I would still bid 3N expecting to run 6-7 clubs tricks. Expected hand opposite? xxx, x Axx, AKJ9xxx would be about right on the bidding.
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Posted 2005-June-01, 04:10
Hi,
for me 3C is to play and we play 2 NT as artifical,
kind of good / bad, to differentiate between strong
hands and hands who just want to bid competitive.
If 2NT promises add. strength, partner will bid 3C as
releay with min. values => in this case you can pass,
or accepts your invitation and refueses the relay.
With kind regards
Marlowe
for me 3C is to play and we play 2 NT as artifical,
kind of good / bad, to differentiate between strong
hands and hands who just want to bid competitive.
If 2NT promises add. strength, partner will bid 3C as
releay with min. values => in this case you can pass,
or accepts your invitation and refueses the relay.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2005-June-01, 05:13
awm, on May 31 2005, 11:15 PM, said:
I'd bid 3NT. Give opener a hand such as:
Ax
xx
Qxx
AQTxxx
This seems like a fairly minimum hand to me, but 3NT has pretty good chances. The club finesse is very likely to be on, since the double presumably indicates short clubs, and the free 2♥ bid implies some values (which easily could include the club king). I'd rate it as slightly above fifty percent.
Of course, this depends a bit on exactly how sound your minor suit openings are, as well as things like the meaning of opener's double (penalty? takeout? maximal?) and opener's 2NT (invitational? good/bad? pick a minor?).
Ax
xx
Qxx
AQTxxx
This seems like a fairly minimum hand to me, but 3NT has pretty good chances. The club finesse is very likely to be on, since the double presumably indicates short clubs, and the free 2♥ bid implies some values (which easily could include the club king). I'd rate it as slightly above fifty percent.
Of course, this depends a bit on exactly how sound your minor suit openings are, as well as things like the meaning of opener's double (penalty? takeout? maximal?) and opener's 2NT (invitational? good/bad? pick a minor?).
Isn't this the best possible minimum avaible (or onw of the best at least)?
Even with this hand opponents could be cold for 3NT, maybe you are trying to steal their contract by bidding it first :-P.
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