[civill]

mike777, on Jun 6 2005, 05:33 PM, said:

1h=1s
2h=3c
4d....kickback,rkc for clubs...wtp?

To low HCPs but good shape hand, cuebids seem more effectively.

[Winstonm]

There is no doubt I'd rather be playing 2 clubs than 2 hearts opposite this:

Kxxx, x, Kxxxx, xxx.

But then, I'm a pessimist.

WinstonM

[whereagles]

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 4♣
4NT 5♠
6♣

4NT is ok because responder could hardly bid 4♣ on 1 key only.

[FrancesHinden]

lifemonster, on Jun 6 2005, 05:24 PM, said:

How about

1H - 1S
2C - 5C
6C

2C because opener is too good for 2H.
5C = huge clubs, poor hand, unsuitable for play in non-clubs. Pretty good description?

The problem is, N probably has only THREE clubs for his 2C bid, and plans to show his real intention, eg.some strong 3 piece spade support, or 2 and half heart rebid,etc.

I wondered if I'd been a bit hind-sightish with my 5C bid, and gave the responding hand to my partner last night. He thought for a bit and bid 5C, saying that even if partner only has 3 of them it could still easily be the right contract, and it is so descriptive it's worth bidding.

3C is a gross underbid.

p.s. "Probably" is far too strong for partner's 2C bid. My partner has 4C when he bids 2C at least 90% of the time (but if he had a 2.5 heart rebid he would bid 2H or 3H not invent some club suit). A 3C bid by partner is slightly less likely to have 4 of them, but 2C is passable.

[Walddk]

whereagles, on Jun 7 2005, 04:35 AM, said:

1♥ 1♠
2♣ 4♣
4NT 5♠
6♣

4NT is ok because responder could hardly bid 4♣ on 1 key only.

I hope you don't play 0314, if you think 4NT is the answer. 4♣ forcing (or 4♦ if you prefer to splinter) is hardly an overbid on

KQJxx
xx
K
AJxxx

4♦ would be a nice tool as kickback. This illustrates why 1430 is better than 0314, especially if kickback is not on your cc.

Roland

[PriorKnowledge]

Winstonm, on Jun 6 2005, 10:32 PM, said:

There is no doubt I'd rather be playing 2 clubs than 2 hearts opposite this:

Kxxx, x, Kxxxx, xxx.

Yup - then 2H rebid works best and 2C rebid is a disaster.

I prefer the 2C rebid for 1 main reason: Bidding 646 is typically stronger than bidding 664. If responder has a marginal game invite hand we will be in 4H or 3N rather than 2H.

[Winstonm]

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Bidding 646 is typically stronger than bidding 664. If responder has a marginal game invite hand we will be in 4H or 3N rather than 2H.

I could not agree with you more; that's why IMO just one little card makes all the difference - the 10 of hearts in opener's hand. Now the hand is fully worth a jump to 3H in value, but I show that hand with HCH sequence instead of HHC, as you say. It's just a very close decision, and as such I look for fine distinctions that (I believe) will give me the winning edge.

Your point is well taken: tis a matter of judging how truly strong the opening hand is. For me, it a "tweener", and I prefer to have full values for the aggressive action. But that's just me.

Good point and post.

WinstonM