[jillybean]

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2/1, usual forums gadgets.

[smerriman]

Seems a good spot for an invitational 3♣.

[mikeh]

This wouldn’t be a problem if we had an invitational 3C available, so I assume we don’t

That leaves 1N, with our fingers crossed

[mycroft]

This is the reason "the other style" of 2/1 does this as 2♣, then 3♣ (passable).

That style loses when you have the same hand with the ♠K, of course.

I might *really lie* with one partner and bid 3♣ "diamond raise with primary clubs, INV values".

But usual gadgets, 1NT and hope partner doesn't pass. Possibly 2NT and hope partner doesn't pass, but that really kills 6♣ if it's right.

[jillybean]

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[johnu]

jillybean, on 2021-April-30, 15:26, said:

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Not playing 3♣ as invitational, I would have bid 2NT, not 1NT which is too Walrus-y for me. Do you play inverted minors? There is an inference (but not a promise) that responder has clubs (but AQ10 6th would definitely be relatively rare).

At this point, I would splinter for diamonds with 4♥.

[nige1]

2/1, usual forums gadgets.

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Hands transposed to make West dealer.
Assuming SMerriman's 3♣ WJS is unavailable, I rank...
1. 2♣ = NAT G/F. An overbid.
2. 1N = NAT. But wrong-siding and you might miss a reasonable game, opposite...
♠ Kx ♥ QTxx ♦ KJxx ♣ Kx

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[DavidKok]

jillybean, on 2021-April-30, 15:26, said:

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Partner is showing a strong reverse with diamonds and spades. We have a maximum for the auction thus far, so we're going to game. I'd punt 3♥, let's see if partner happens to be 4=3=5=1 or the likes and has a stopper in hearts. If partner responds anything other than 3NT it looks like 6♦ might be on (few wasted heart values opposite our singleton and lots of points to go around). It's possible partner has the perfect minimum where we sign off in 3NT but 6♦ is on, I think I'll just have to live with that.

Also I'm having trouble with the 2NT suggestions on the earlier round. The major suits are wide open, there's no reason to suggest NT quite so strongly.

[steve2005]

nige1, on 2021-April-30, 16:17, said:

1. 2♣ = NAT G/F. An overbid.

Playing 2♣ as GF without having the forcing 1N bid as after a 1M opening is just sheer folly.
You can't bid 10-11 hcp hands with primary clubs

[akwoo]

jillybean, on 2021-April-30, 15:26, said:

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Surely, at this point, 3♦ is forcing to game, so I bid it.

[nullve]

jillybean, on 2021-April-30, 14:44, said:

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2/1, usual forums gadgets.

1♠

[mikeh]

akwoo, on 2021-April-30, 17:45, said:

Surely, at this point, 3♦ is forcing to game, so I bid it.

What do you bid with Jx xxx Qxx Kxxxx?

Good luck with forcing to game.

I do agree that, with this hand, we have a game force. My suggestion: tell partner!

Now, how we tell partner depends, to a degree, on what we think 2S showed.

We denied 4 spades, but that doesn’t necessarily mean partner has 5 of them. What would he do with AKJx Kx KQxxxx x?

What would double have meant?

For now, my call is simple. I bid 3H.

What I do next depends on what I think/guess/hope our agreements are for 2S or, if all I know is that we have no clear agreements, what he thinks a 3S call by him, over 3H, shows.

However, I’m planning on bidding 4D next, even if he bids 3N or 3S. If we play our 6-3 diamond fit in 5D when we had a 5-3 spade fit, c’est la vie. Anyway, on a good day, 4S fails on 4-1 spades while 5D succeeds, unlikely tho that rates to be

But 3H for now, to tell him I love my hand

[smerriman]

mikeh, on 2021-April-30, 19:35, said:

What do you bid with Jx xxx Qxx Kxxxx?

Good luck with forcing to game.

Is 2NT not a negative in this auction to allow you to sign off in 3♦?

[Winstonm]

At what point in time did 2/1 game force start applying to a 1D opening? There is no forcing NT to use ergo, no 2/1. This has historically been played as an SAYC sequence, and 2C is only forcing to 2n or 3 of a minor.

I am either way out of touch or hopelessly confused.

[jillybean]

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3♥ would see us reach 3nt.

The full hand;

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[akwoo]

mikeh, on 2021-April-30, 19:35, said:

What do you bid with Jx xxx Qxx Kxxxx?

I bid 2N, asking partner to bid 3C, after which I bid 3D.

I consider 2S a reverse (since I bid past that suit previously), and so usual agreements after a reverse apply.

[mikeh]

Winstonm, on 2021-April-30, 19:56, said:

At what point in time did 2/1 game force start applying to a 1D opening? There is no forcing NT to use ergo, no 2/1. This has historically been played as an SAYC sequence, and 2C is only forcing to 2n or 3 of a minor.

I am either way out of touch or hopelessly confused.

Originally 2C over 1D was not gf if followed by 3C. However, a large segment of 2/1 players now use 2C over 1D as gf. I’ve been playing it that way, with a number of partners, for many years and think it’s probably now the more common approach.

[mikeh]

jillybean, on 2021-April-30, 20:19, said:

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3♥ would see us reach 3nt.

The full hand;

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Not me. I’m bidding 4D over 3N

[jillybean]

mikeh, on 2021-April-30, 21:55, said:

Not me. I’m bidding 4D over 3N

Right, when can we play?

[apollo1201]

akwoo, on 2021-April-30, 21:48, said:

« What do you bid with (crappy hand with D fit)? »

I bid 2N, asking partner to bid 3C, after which I bid 3D.

I consider 2S a reverse (since I bid past that suit previously), and so usual agreements after a reverse apply.

I thought that in contested auctions involving a reverse (that might be a little shaded in the circumstances, you need to convey shape and reasonable amount of strength to partner when things get active around the table), the 2NT bid to « moderate » partner doesn’t apply anymore.

2NT becomes positive, affirmative about the opps’s suit being stopped, but still unsure about being in game.

Repeating one’s suit or fitting partner at min level is passable.

Cue-bid or 4SF (and 3NT obviously😁) are the only GF calls. Depending on what X from partner could show, uses of such calls are to be adapted. Also if you had S and partner had H, where you can repeat your suit, adaptations are probably required.