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#1 User is offline   Cyberyeti 

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Posted Today, 09:55

Matchpoints:



You open 1 (12-14 NT, 4 card majors but 4m4M open the minor so most often 5), partner bids 1 (2/1 not GF, and 2 always 4+ cards)

You have a choice between:

2 something of an underbid, 6+
3 stating your values correctly and your heart length, but partner will expect a better suit (you have a stronger alternative sequence for the death hand, so min a tad lower than is normal)
1N 15-bad19 which is what you'd do if the 6th heart was a club

What do people reckon ?
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Posted Today, 10:12

3 seems fine to me, especially since it denies a third spade in this system.
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Posted Today, 10:13

I will try 1NT rebid

option2=3H
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Posted Today, 10:26

View PostDavidKok, on 2025-November-28, 10:12, said:

3 seems fine to me, especially since it denies a third spade in this system.


It's not entirely clear it does here, there is a range between a minimum opener and a GF where it's difficult to show 6/3 give me xxx, AQJxxx, AK, xx I'm too good for 2M and not good enough to GF so probably rebid 3
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Posted Today, 10:40

The death hand is any hand that is too strong for a simple rebid or 3-card raise with the 6-3 pattern. I think I misunderstood your methods if this hand type might be folded into 3M in your system.
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Posted Today, 10:51

Hi,

I think it is a min 3H at best, I would go with 2H.
But 1NT? Why not? It would not occur to me at the
table, but why not.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted Today, 11:07

View PostDavidKok, on 2025-November-28, 10:40, said:

The death hand is any hand that is too strong for a simple rebid or 3-card raise with the 6-3 pattern. I think I misunderstood your methods if this hand type might be folded into 3M in your system.


I tend to think that the death hand is stronger than that where if partner has a near minimum response with 5 in his suit you now want to force to game. Our alternative sequence is GF
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Posted Today, 11:10

2 for me. Partner will expect a better suit if I bid 3.
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Posted Today, 11:17

I think twice about 1N because my hearts are so terrible I'm worried about setting them up at notrump, but I have a lot of side entries, so 1N it is.
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Posted Today, 11:47

3 works for me, but how do you differentiate a 15 hand vs an 18 hand?
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Posted Today, 12:21

View Postmw64ahw, on 2025-November-28, 11:47, said:

3 works for me, but how do you differentiate a 15 hand vs an 18 hand?


We play a 15-bad 19 1N rebid and good 19-21 2N opener, this leaves the 2N rebid free for really big unbalanced hands, bad 18 we probably rebid 3, good 18 probably bites the bullet and bids 2N.
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Posted Today, 13:03

I don't see why this hand would be too strong for 2? That's what I'd bid.
I'd consider 1NT before considering 3.
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Posted Today, 16:46

3H is traditionally 7 playing tricks. This is a little bit short. I go with 2H.
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