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Posted 2025-December-01, 16:19

The regionals are over and you are licking your wounds as a pair in the monday game for beginners, too bushed to split up and mentor.
Just before the espresso wears off you pick up this hand.

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Your bid, playing current/favourite agreements?
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Posted 2025-December-01, 16:25

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-01, 16:19, said:

The regionals are over and you are licking your wounds as a pair in the monday game for beginners, too bushed to split up and mentor.
Just before the espresso wears off you pick up this hand.

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Your bid, playing current/favourite agreements?

Possibly 4♣ Namyats - 4 mod. losers, but a touch light on hcp
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Posted 2025-December-01, 17:17

About half the field here - maybe more - would open 2C calling it a 4 loser hand.
And then bid 4H.
But if we were in Honolulu with an expert we might try something different.
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Posted 2025-December-01, 17:46

I open 1♥ because I have an opening hand with a long heart suit..
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Posted 2025-December-01, 19:12

View Posta_user, on 2025-December-01, 17:17, said:

About half the field here - maybe more - would open 2C calling it a 4 loser hand.
And then bid 4H.
But if we were in Honolulu with an expert we might try something different.

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Posted 2025-December-02, 02:28

1H

Lets see how it develops, in 3rd seat I would bid 4H, but
we are in 2nd.

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Posted 2025-December-02, 07:10

 mw64ahw, on 2025-December-01, 16:25, said:

Possibly 4♣ Namyats - 4 mod. losers, but a touch light on hcp

It's a Namyats/Notyats hand for me, but not with this partner.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 07:15

 a_user, on 2025-December-01, 17:17, said:

About half the field here - maybe more - would open 2C calling it a 4 loser hand.
And then bid 4H.

Not sure if that was serious or tongue in cheek? :)
I don't even define that sequence, which is admittedly unimaginative.
I did actually open 2C and then bid 3H, but only because partner was looking tired and I wasn't thrilled about our developments if I opened 1H and she responded 1S.
I think I prefer 1H on the whole.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 07:23

 smerriman, on 2025-December-01, 17:46, said:

I open 1♥ because I have an opening hand with a long heart suit..

... and unsuited to 3 or 4 hearts.
Fair enough.

To your surprise, partner responds 2♣ (game force, 5+ clubs or balanced or fit).
Your bid now?
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Posted 2025-December-02, 07:48

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-02, 07:23, said:

... and unsuited to 3 or 4 hearts.
Fair enough.

To your surprise, partner responds 2♣ (game force, 5+ clubs or balanced or fit).
Your bid now?

3H, should set trumps.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 08:32

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-02, 07:23, said:

... and unsuited to 3 or 4 hearts.
Fair enough.

To your surprise, partner responds 2♣ (game force, 5+ clubs or balanced or fit).
Your bid now?


I bid 2♦.

There was only one reason I didn't open 4♣, which is that there might be a diamond slam (even a diamond grand) but no heart slam. Let's check on this now.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 10:04

 P_Marlowe, on 2025-December-02, 07:48, said:

3H, should set trumps.

This

If partner makes a non spade rebid I have a comfortable 4h rebid.

Btw2 trying to find a diamond slam at MP at the local club is the least of my concerns...
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Posted 2025-December-02, 10:19

After 1♥ - 2♣ I can either bid
2N 6♥ Unbalanced with slam going potential
.. 3♣ Shortage?
.... 3♦ 4-card minor
...... 3♥ minor?
........ 3N 4♦ if you really want to try for the fit
3♥ self-sustaining with slam going potential
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Posted 2025-December-02, 12:29

 P_Marlowe, on 2025-December-02, 07:48, said:

3H, should set trumps.

Partner bids 3♠, first or second level control.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 12:30

 akwoo, on 2025-December-02, 08:32, said:

I bid 2♦.

Partner bids 2♠, natural.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 13:12

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-02, 12:29, said:

Partner bids 3♠, first or second level control.


4D, ..., I dont like bidding shortage in p suit as a first cue.
Over 4H from p, I will followup with 5C, I am not going past 5H.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 13:40

 smerriman, on 2025-December-01, 17:46, said:

I open 1♥ because I have an opening hand with a long heart suit..

Ditto
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Posted 2025-December-02, 15:13

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-December-02, 13:12, said:

4D, ..., I dont like bidding shortage in p suit as a first cue.
Over 4H from p, I will followup with 5C, I am not going past 5H.

Agree with 3♥ and 4♦, though if partner is unwilling to bid past 4♥ I think I'd pass.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 15:23

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-December-02, 13:12, said:

4D, ..., I dont like bidding shortage in p suit as a first cue.

This is one of the many interesting points raised by the hand.
FWIW we do bid the shortage and I think that pays off overall, although obviously it can cost.

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2025-December-02, 13:12, said:

Over 4H from p, I will followup with 5C, I am not going past 5H.

Over 4D, Partner will not bid 4H, but follow up himself with 5C, or perhaps 4NT RKCB if that is still on.
But we're into the details of partnership slam investigation style now, time for the full diagram once the 2D 2S auction has progressed.
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Posted 2025-December-02, 16:04

View Postpescetom, on 2025-December-02, 15:23, said:

But we're into the details of partnership slam investigation style now, time for the full diagram once the 2D 2S auction has progressed.


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