bridge base/ACBL crazy rule for assigning master points
#21
Posted 2026-July-10, 12:04
#22
Posted 2026-July-10, 18:24
jillybean, on 2026-July-10, 11:24, said:
For the majority of players master points are a measure of bum time on seat.
If ACBL masterpoints weren't "valuable", people wouldn't seek out tournaments with fees to play in. They could easily play in the main bridge club or other free areas of BBO where there are no entry fees and no masterpoints.
Also, cheating in an ACBL tournament risks suspension and getting put on the disciplined lists under your real name, while cheating in a "free" practice game only risks expulsion from BBO on that user name, which is basically no punishment as it's trivial to create a new user account and continue playing (and cheating).
#23
Posted Yesterday, 00:01
mycroft, on 2026-July-10, 10:22, said:
But OP's point is (very clearly, if you read the links in the post you quoted) that that's not what is happening.
According to the OP, he's claiming to be a pretty good player that consistently gets good results as a substitute, so there's no logic for the paying player to get rid of the OP because he's hopeless. Of course, if the OP was really hopeless, there wouldn't be any masterpoints at stake if he played most of the tournament.
#24
Posted Yesterday, 06:58
"You need to play a lot of stuff these days just to deal with the stuff your opponents are playing" DBurn
#25
Posted Yesterday, 11:57
OPs skill is not relevant (but I agree, is probably quite good - especially with the obvious handicap). Again, I salute him for volunteering to do something most people (including me) would run screaming from, except on a one-off basis.
Whether someone would prefer him to the partner they signed up to play with is an amusing question, but also not relevant.
Whether the rules on assigning masterpoints for results should be changed, is certainly relevant. I happen to be ambivalent on the topic, for reasons that are both obvious from posting and obvious from - other posting :-).
But the conspiracy theory? Is absolutely bonkers. I can't imagine anyone willing to be the straight actor (without, as I said, pro-level treatment), and I can't imagine, should it be happening, that it isn't found out and sent to C&E (or BBO straight up banning the players, even given the amount of money they would be receiving from them, or both) within months - another reason the payout would have to be something special.
"...You may return to your desk." "Thank you." -- Serena vs. Mr. Arthur, "Paranormal Helpline", EGS:NP
#26
Posted Yesterday, 16:43
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 11:57, said:
OPs skill is not relevant (but I agree, is probably quite good - especially with the obvious handicap). Again, I salute him for volunteering to do something most people (including me) would run screaming from, except on a one-off basis.
100% relevant. Just addressing one of your misstatements, not all of them. OP's skill is absolutely relevant, otherwise:
1) There would be no masterpoints to consider if he was a terrible player
2) If the paying pair was engaged in the alleged "scheme", the OP would be replaced at the table if he was a terrible player because of point #1, and to avoid punishing the remaining player having to play with a terrible player.
3) Whatever the motivations, I also salute the OP for volunteering to be a substitute player which helps the tournaments continue when a player drops out.
#27
Posted Yesterday, 18:31
As for you:
jillybean, on 2026-July-11, 06:58, said:
"...You may return to your desk." "Thank you." -- Serena vs. Mr. Arthur, "Paranormal Helpline", EGS:NP
#28
Posted Today, 21:32
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 18:31, said:
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 11:57, said:
While you may not have said anything completely negative about the OP's skill level, his skill level is 100% relevant to his point about being replaced at the last moment before the end of the tournament when the pair is in position to win masterpoints.
BTW, who says the partner still logged in is a pro player, at the presumed level of these tournaments, more likely just a friend who might be a good player for that level game.
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 11:57, said:
Quoted for truth. QFT.
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 11:57, said:
Prefer??? If you are trying to win masterpoints, you would "prefer" to play with the player that gives you the best chance. Isn't that obvious? People frequently don't play with the person who gives them the best chance of winning masterpoints. If the strategy of having the bad player drop out until the end of the tournament is the best "strategy" to win masterpoints, and it's perfectly legal according to BBO, then why not, even though I personally think it is a waste of time.
mycroft, on 2026-July-11, 11:57, said:
Again, almost certainly not a pro, but a good friend, or maybe spouse, etc. And as noted, BBO has no problem since this is within their rules. Conspiracy theory? Well, some conspiracies are actually fact based. I'm not vouching for the OP, but I have no reason to doubt his observations. I would have to see some actual statistics about substitute players.

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