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Dbl initially (I do have 4 nice S and can live with a 3C bid (sort of). and when 4H is bid on my left, pass (if pard doubles I will start preparing my excuses)
Bidding Over Weak 5-5's The Misadventures of Rex and Jay # 843
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Posted 2005-November-22, 14:00
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Posted 2005-November-22, 18:26
the double almost has to be penalty i think.. why didn't he double 2H for takeout? i have an easy pass
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Posted 2005-November-23, 07:08
Here is Rex's logic, in his own words so I cannot be accused of misquoting him (like he usually does...)
"I am not strong enough to act directly
because partner will infer I have more general strength than this.
After the auction gets to 4H I have another decision. I voted for
action as it has three ways to
win: 1> you have a real penalty oriented hand, pass and we set them
(least likely and with my void worrying) 2> they have a
cold game and
we take a good sac 3> we have the cold game and find it after I
double; the odds of us having a fit went up when they
>bounced into 4H.
I am unsure who can make what BUT with three ways that we might win
this seems OK. Having you pass and choose to defend without a trump
trick was not one of the three ways to win that I think are
available.
> > :-)
> > My problem with the 3D overcall is that I feel it shows
> around 14-15
> > HCP. The hand I held shades that promise by about 1.5
> tricks, which I think is too much. Partner may now make a wrong decision re bidding game or defending."
"I am not strong enough to act directly
because partner will infer I have more general strength than this.
After the auction gets to 4H I have another decision. I voted for
action as it has three ways to
win: 1> you have a real penalty oriented hand, pass and we set them
(least likely and with my void worrying) 2> they have a
cold game and
we take a good sac 3> we have the cold game and find it after I
double; the odds of us having a fit went up when they
>bounced into 4H.
I am unsure who can make what BUT with three ways that we might win
this seems OK. Having you pass and choose to defend without a trump
trick was not one of the three ways to win that I think are
available.
> > :-)
> > My problem with the 3D overcall is that I feel it shows
> around 14-15
> > HCP. The hand I held shades that promise by about 1.5
> tricks, which I think is too much. Partner may now make a wrong decision re bidding game or defending."
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Posted 2005-November-23, 09:09
Rex had a possible 5♦ reopening, double is penalties.
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Posted 2005-November-28, 11:12
X is penalties, but when you hold 3 trumps don't you think partner might have a heart void and very few values? Rightly or wrongly I would bid 5C over partner's X with xxx in hearts and I really don't think it's hard to deduce that the X is not based on a trump stack, but rather a void. Yes, yes, partner should have bid with a void the first time or shut up forever, but we shouldn't make him pay for his mistake. Given our hand, he's done very well to reopen so we shouldn't punish him.
To the original question, I would pass then pass.
To the original question, I would pass then pass.
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Posted 2005-November-29, 00:52
Quite a problem. Although I like to have some "stuff" to bid at the 3-level, there comes a time when I have to define "stuff" - and it is more than HCPs - comes under the heading of "reason to bid".
While it is true partner may expect more in the way of high cards, I have a suit good enough to run to if partner doubles or tries a specualtive 3N. I also have the spade suit - never a bad thing. Besides, partner can pretty easily hold a hand that will make game and not be able to balance: Kx, Q10xx, xxxx, AKx. And lastly, odds are good that the opponents are getting ready to raise to some number of hearts, making it that much harder (and dangerous) to get back in.
Like JLall is fond of saying, sometimes the risks of passing are greater than the risks of bidding - he may not agree, but I am inclined to think this is one of those times.
3D
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While it is true partner may expect more in the way of high cards, I have a suit good enough to run to if partner doubles or tries a specualtive 3N. I also have the spade suit - never a bad thing. Besides, partner can pretty easily hold a hand that will make game and not be able to balance: Kx, Q10xx, xxxx, AKx. And lastly, odds are good that the opponents are getting ready to raise to some number of hearts, making it that much harder (and dangerous) to get back in.
Like JLall is fond of saying, sometimes the risks of passing are greater than the risks of bidding - he may not agree, but I am inclined to think this is one of those times.
3D
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Posted 2005-November-29, 10:20
I'd pass originally but I'd find a back-in double of 4♥.
I've had a lot of success (random perhaps) making this call. If pard pulls to 5♣, I'll try 5♦.
Double here means - "look at your hand and figure it out".
I've had a lot of success (random perhaps) making this call. If pard pulls to 5♣, I'll try 5♦.
Double here means - "look at your hand and figure it out".
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