[Chamaco]

Hi all !

In a Matchpoints club tourney, weakish field (even for myself LOL), RHO deals and passes.
You hold

Jxxx-K8xxxx-J-xx

With this partner, you have agreed that 2nd seat preempts and weak 2s are disciplined, so that means you have to pass this hand.
LHO opens 1C (a real 4+ suit, playing vanilla 4 card major).
When your pard overcalls 1H, you are about to jump over the table and start breakdancing, as phil clayton once suggested...
After RHO's 2C raise, how many hearts do you bid ?

RHO.......you........LHO........partner
pass......pass........1C.........1H
2C.........????

[Miron]

4♥, and I'll hope they woun't say 5♣.

[joker_gib]

I'd bid 4♥.

This describes my hand and I think this is enough (RHO bid only 2♣ and I see no reason to bid 5♥ to go down or push them in an unbidable 6♣)

Alain

[luis]

I bid 4♣ so I give opener the option of doubling 4♣ which is usually pointless instead of bidding 5♣ which is probably right (for them). Bidding 4♥ in my view will force them to do the right thing bidding 5♣.
4♣ is interesting as Ritong would say, "Sexy bid"

Luis

[joker_gib]

luis, on Feb 27 2006, 03:55 PM, said:

I bid 4♣ so I give opener the option of doubling 4♣ which is usually pointless instead of bidding 5♣ which is probably right (for them). Bidding 4♥ in my view will force them to do the right thing bidding 5♣.
4♣ is interesting as Ritong would say, "Sexy bid"

Luis

OK Luis but I would prefer shortness in ♣ to bid this !

Alain

[luis]

joker_gib, on Feb 27 2006, 03:15 PM, said:

luis, on Feb 27 2006, 03:55 PM, said:

I bid 4♣ so I give opener the option of doubling 4♣ which is usually pointless instead of bidding 5♣ which is probably right (for them). Bidding 4♥ in my view will force them to do the right thing bidding 5♣.
4♣ is interesting as Ritong would say, "Sexy bid"

Luis

OK Luis but I would prefer shortness in ♣ to bid this !

Alain

With club shortness the bid wouldn't be "sexy" just "good" :-)

[awm]

It sounds to me like partner might actually have a decent hand. I've got a four-count and RHO couldn't do anything more exciting than make a single raise of clubs. I'm not sure that the opponents can actually make 5♣, much less bid and make it. I'll bid 4♥ and let partner figure the situation out.

Bidding 4♣ seems bad to me: it allows LHO to consult partner on whether to compete to the five level (by doubling). It might cause partner to make a bad decision over 5♣, thinking I have a singleton when in fact we both have two small. And a splinter normally shows a better hand as well, which might tempt partner into trying for a slam that isn't there, or doubling a 5♣ contract that makes. Big downside, and the only upside is a psychological ploy that LHO will double 4♣ and then pass 4♥ when he would've bid 5♣ over 4♥ (does this work against good players? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work against bad players)

[luis]

awm, on Feb 27 2006, 04:17 PM, said:

Bidding 4♣ seems bad to me: it allows LHO to consult partner on whether to compete to the five level (by doubling). It might cause partner to make a bad decision over 5♣, thinking I have a singleton when in fact we both have two small. And a splinter normally shows a better hand as well, which might tempt partner into trying for a slam that isn't there, or doubling a 5♣ contract that makes. Big downside, and the only upside is a psychological ploy that LHO will double 4♣ and then pass 4♥ when he would've bid 5♣ over 4♥ (does this work against good players? I'm pretty sure it doesn't work against bad players)

How many times I have witnessed a conversation starting with
"I already doubled 4♣ bid 5♣ yourself"
I don't know if it works against good or bad players but it just presents them with the option of not bidding 5♣.

[joker_gib]

luis, on Feb 27 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

With club shortness the bid wouldn't be "sexy" just "good" :-)

LOL

You are right ! I have to introduce "sexy" bids in my system !

[Codo]

I will try to do anything to get them out of their 5 Club.

So, is it more likely that they bid 5 club above a strong bid (like 3/4 Club or 4 Diamond) or after a weak bid like 4 Heart?
And how likey is is, that we will get overboard, if I bid strong?

I will try 3 Club, (strong with fit) because in my experience a weak field more often then not gives up bidding after the opps showed strong hands.

If the opps are real weak, I had bid 4 Herart direct and hoped, that they never heard about safes in bridge before.

[Limey_p]

weak field => make normal bid, 4H imo. If it's a strong field then you might shake up the dice and try something else.