[Impact]

1. A good player who bid like RHO is saying "please double me" , but..

2. Partner with extreme Majors - at least 55 would bid 4D presumably, so even if his X is ostensibly takeout, he has some defence.

3. I pass (really only wrong if partner is something like Kxxx Qxxxx x Kxx or longer C eg 4-3-1-5 so now we get 0/1C, perhaps 2S and 1D on worst case scenario)...but hey that's life, and you cater for everything else with less than no guarantee against bidding 3NT which would bet on taking 9 before they get 5!

Any other bid is wired surely....

[cherdano]

I guess pass.

[pclayton]

Pass, but prepared for a loss here.

I have a feeling RHO hosed himself initially. Id probably overcall 3N over 3D.

[Echognome]

I don't see how you can do anything but pass. The only alternative I see is 3NT, but that is a shot in the dark.

[neilkaz]

I'm passing. What cound RHO have to not open initially ? Perhaps a 4 card major along with his D's. Would that stop him from preempting on his first turn ? Anyhow, I expect he has decent ♦ and if you cannot run 8 more tricks after your ♦ stop is knocked out, then you have issues unless you can keep RHO out of the lead (perhaps likely since he failed to open 1).

However, PD may just have an invitational hand and you have a flat 16 count, 3NT may be no bargain anyhow. I'll pass..+500 isn't so much worse than +600 and any plus is a heck of a lot better than -100.

.. neilkaz ..

[Apollo81]

I would have to be psychic to pull this double against an average player. Because RHO is a pro I will probably tank then pass.

[Fluffy]

Pass is the normal thing to do, but my guess is you know this player good enough and you puled wich was the right thing to do

[ceeb]

Pass, with obvious misgivings. RHO's bidding makes sense with 10 diamonds in which case I've just cooperated with RHO's coup of finding the only way to be plus. If RHO has another hand -- say side suit of hearts -- with which 3D makes, then possibly 3NT is down anyway.

At the table I'd figure it is more likely that nutty and possibly stoned RHO is playing poker with fewer than 9 tricks, than that he actually has the rare hand such as 10 diamonds. Given that the hand is presented as a problem of course the odds change but I'll play along as if at the table.

-- Charles

[Free]

pass seems so obvious that it will be wrong...

[vang]

I pass at the table. here, i'll bid a "3nt wtp" ;-)

[Codo]

vang, on Jun 21 2007, 08:52 PM, said:

I pass at the table. here, i'll bid a "3nt wtp" ;-)

I like this one

[bid_em_up]

Now that partner has promised some values with his X (meaning he wasn't using garbage stayman), I think you must bid for several reasons.

Assuming RHO has any semblance of a preempt, the majority of the field will open 2D or 3D in 3rd seat, and will likely end in 3N with your hand anyway.

Partner is either 4-4-1-4 or some 4-3-1-5. He also has a likely 8-10 count, and all of those values are probably outside of diamonds. Give partner a hand like:

K10xx-Qxxx-x-K10xx and 3N is quite likely to make, but you are probably only beating 3D by one or 2 tricks. Improve this any (another J or two), and your chances of making 3N only get better, but the odds of beating 3D an additional trick do not increase substantially.

You say RHO is a pro and REALLY crazy. But you do not say if he is insane. Assuming he hasn't totally lost his mind, he could just be crazy like a fox.....he has a reason for bidding like this, we just don't know what it is. I suspect the layout is something like this:

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I think we have to bid 3N now.

[bid_em_up]

pclayton, on Jun 20 2007, 09:19 PM, said:

Pass, but prepared for a loss here.

I have a feeling RHO hosed himself initially. Id probably overcall 3N over 3D.

I think if you would have overcalled 3N over a third seat 3D preempt initially, then you need to bid 3N now to stay with the field, especially now that partner has promised some non-minimal values.

RHO could have opened 2D or 3D in third seat. In either case, you would likely bid 2N and get raised to three, or you would be bid 3N direct. I see no sense in choosing to defend now instead of going with your normal contract, unless you have the expectation of beating this more than 2 tricks. You cannot have this expectation on your holdings.

jmoo.

[pclayton]

bid_em_up, on Jun 21 2007, 06:50 AM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 20 2007, 09:19 PM, said:

Pass, but prepared for a loss here.

I have a feeling RHO hosed himself initially. Id probably overcall 3N over 3D.

I think if you would have overcalled 3N over a third seat 3D preempt initially, then you need to bid 3N now to stay with the field, especially now that partner has promised some non-minimal values.

RHO could have opened 2D or 3D in third seat. In either case, you would likely bid 2N and get raised to three, or you would be bid 3N direct. I see no sense in choosing to defend now instead of going with your normal contract, unless you have the expectation of beating this more than 2 tricks. You cannot have this expectation on your holdings.

jmoo.

Its IMPs. Our 'field' is the other table, and our teammates arent bidding like this.

We have a single diamond stop that rates to get knocked out at T1. Your construction on the prior thread looks great, since were are scampering off with 8 black suit tricks after the opening lead. Switch either black suit king to hearts and good luck making 3N. 3♦ is a likely -2.

I have no idea what RHO has. I see people make bids like this for the oddest reasons and they never seem to be consistent or know what they are doing.

[bid_em_up]

pclayton, on Jun 21 2007, 10:01 AM, said:

Its IMPs. Our 'field' is the other table, and our teammates arent bidding like this.

OOPS. Never mind.

I did not realize this was IMPs.

At IMP's I would defend, at MP, I would bid 3N and worry about it after the opening lead and I see dummy.

[Fluffy]

bid_em_up, on Jun 21 2007, 02:50 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 20 2007, 09:19 PM, said:

Pass, but prepared for a loss here.

I have a feeling RHO hosed himself initially. Id probably overcall 3N over 3D.

I think if you would have overcalled 3N over a third seat 3D preempt initially, then you need to bid 3N now to stay with the field

This logic leads to everyone bidding 3x after you open 1NT because you will always bid 3NT and not take advantage of the info you ahve already been able to exchange with partner.

[bid_em_up]

Fluffy, on Jun 21 2007, 10:12 AM, said:

bid_em_up, on Jun 21 2007, 02:50 PM, said:

pclayton, on Jun 20 2007, 09:19 PM, said:

Pass, but prepared for a loss here.

I have a feeling RHO hosed himself initially. Id probably overcall 3N over 3D.

I think if you would have overcalled 3N over a third seat 3D preempt initially, then you need to bid 3N now to stay with the field

This logic leads to everyone bidding 3x after you open 1NT because you will always bid 3NT and not take advantage of the info you ahve already been able to exchange with partner.

No, it won't. I will not ALWAYS bid 3N. There are hands where you would choose to defend.

Have fun guessing when I am defending and when I am not.

[Gerben42]

I am SO bidding 3NT. Obviously RHO has a 4♦ opener but that would be artificial so he decided to pass first, then later he figured that 3 might be safer after all.

[Apollo81]

Maybe this comes down to a "what would feel worse" situation: getting suckered by RHO (making the normal pass) or letting him psych you into some losing action (anything else)