[mike777]

FrancesHinden, on Jun 21 2007, 11:15 AM, said:

I don't get all these 3D "stopper" bids either (except that Justin has said they are stopper-showing), that sounds like spades-and-diamonds to me, not Ax AKQx in the minors.

I bet that if you have been dealt

AKxxx
x
KQJxx
Kx

you would bid 3D over 3C, then 4C next and say happily that you had bid out your hand and partner can make the final decision.

(If you bid 3D and pass 3NT it's fair enough to say that 3D was just a stop, but anyone planning to bid on over 3NT doesn't seem to have described their hand)

As it is, the right action on this hand seems to depend a bit on what 3C shows. I've seen suggestions such as 1336 with lots of red suit honours. I don't think A Qxx KQx J10xxx is anything like an invitational 3C bid, surely he has at least 7 clubs possibly more, and is virtually certain to be very short (possibly void) in spades as he's prepared to play in 3C on a J-high suit on a misfit.

While we might be making 6C opposite the right hand, it might also depend on the lead.  I am bidding 5C and let them decide what to lead. They might choose a 'passive' trump which is probably great for us.

With a 5(13)4 I'd do more.

With:

AKxxx..x...KQJxx...Kx I would rkc(kickback) over 3c invite.

As I said I am unsure what 3clubs invite shows as I have never played it but why is:
A...Qxx...KQx...JTxxxx not possible?
I grant assuming responder having 7 clubs is reasonable

In my style I am stuck bidding 1nt semiforce with this hand but in Justin's style what would the correct bid be?

[mikeh]

I like France's post: 5♣ should certainly tell partner not to worry about the trump suit. I can see missing slam here after this bid, but my red suits are the wrong way around to bid 4♣.

In a perfect world, I'd bid 4♣, forcing, then over 4♥, bid 4N.. showing no ♠ control and too good a hand to sign off in 5♣... by inference probably good trump and the ♦A... but unless we have an agreement as to this useage of 4N (As I have posted previously, this is my agreement in forcing minor auctions), I can't inflict it on partner.

[hatchett]

I can't say I'm crazy about 3C on a J high suit, and a semi-balanced hand with a high honor in every other suit. 1NT looks a much more promising start.

[whereagles]

I'll bid 3NT here.

[gwnn]

what's wrong with 3♦ and 4♣ whatever partner bids? there surely has to be some sort of fast arrival thingie for this situation.

[han]

I'm not sure what I would have bid with partner's hand. This is the only way to show an invitational hand with clubs right, so what is the alternative?

If you decide to play in clubs then 4C followed by 5C seems best. Starting with 3D planning to pull 3NT seems like a poor strategy.

But 3NT looks very safe, I might just bid 3D and pass 3NT.

[nige1]

Jlall, on Jun 20 2007, 08:41 PM, said:

♠ J x x x x  ♥ x x ♦ A x ♣ A K Q x

You open 1S and partner bids 3C natural invite lol. What now? (4C is forcing, 3red can just be a stopper).

Partner's hand
♠ Q x ♥ A x ♦ K x ♣ J T 9 x x x x

so anyone with the plan of bidding 3D and passing 3N wins, though as partner pointed out over 3D is he necessarily supposed to just bid 3N with Qx and Ax in the majors or might he bid 3S (as 3D could be natural too). Not sure. His 3C bid was also questionable obviously.

I bid 4C then 5C over 4D to hopefully convey slam interest (since I didn't bid 5C over 3C) and no major suit control (which would imply good clubs+diamonds, right ken? smile.gif)

The defense led ace of spades ten of spades, ruffed, so the contract had no play after that start.

It was suggested that my sequence wouldn't get us to slam when it's right anyways, so I should angle for getting to 3N which is probably a lock. Not sure if that's right or not.

I agree with Jlall's actions and I don't think anybody is to blame.

IMO the sequence 1 ♠ - 3 ♣ ; 3 ♦ - 3 ♥ denies a proper heart stop. With hearts stopped, you can bid 3 N.