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2D on your left. Tank 3N on your right. Opps are experts.
Your lead?
obv i cheat
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Posted 2007-June-30, 11:35
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Posted 2007-June-30, 11:59
♠, PROBABLY THE JACK. No time to try to establish slow hearts....
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:08
either a low spade or the jack (probably is right given the post's title)
I think I'd lead low at the table
I think I'd lead low at the table
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:08
♠x - needs less to be right but I hope I haven't blocked the suit.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:19
I'll assume it is a weak 2. Choices seem to be:
H J : Totally normal
Sx : Slightly more aggressive, but it *is* 4th from your longest/strongest
SK: Caters to stiff SQ in dummy, perhaps to xxxxx in partners hand. Loses to Axx in Ps hand.
I reject the club suit and the SJ9 as being too odd and bearing insufficient upside.
Does the tank change anything? RHO couldn't possibly have been wondering about whether to show a major, and it is perhaps off-color to tank & then psyche. So I'll assume he has a good hand, but the tank doesnt change much vis a vis the lead.
I think there is not enough info here to make the hero/fool SK lead, so either the HJ or Sx works for me. I lean towards the HJ since that allows us to try for slow tricks now with some fast tricks in reserve when we win the DA. If RHO runs clubs & hearts while we had 5+ tricks in spades & diamonds I'll apologize at the bar
Another reason to lead the HJ is that the other table might have the same problem and will probably lead the HJ.
H J : Totally normal
Sx : Slightly more aggressive, but it *is* 4th from your longest/strongest
SK: Caters to stiff SQ in dummy, perhaps to xxxxx in partners hand. Loses to Axx in Ps hand.
I reject the club suit and the SJ9 as being too odd and bearing insufficient upside.
Does the tank change anything? RHO couldn't possibly have been wondering about whether to show a major, and it is perhaps off-color to tank & then psyche. So I'll assume he has a good hand, but the tank doesnt change much vis a vis the lead.
I think there is not enough info here to make the hero/fool SK lead, so either the HJ or Sx works for me. I lean towards the HJ since that allows us to try for slow tricks now with some fast tricks in reserve when we win the DA. If RHO runs clubs & hearts while we had 5+ tricks in spades & diamonds I'll apologize at the bar
Another reason to lead the HJ is that the other table might have the same problem and will probably lead the HJ.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:21
2♠. More ways to beat the hand. Partner's expectancy is to hold two cards. Heat lead requires ♥KQ. Club lead requires ♣ AQJ + length. ♠ 2 lead requires ♠A OR ♠Q and ♣A.Declarer's tank could mean anything, but given his apparent lack of a ♦ filler, it is consistent with a shaky ♠ stop like Qxx. Please don't tell me that the ♠Q shows up in the dummy.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:25
Jack of hearts, or whatever you have
agreed on.
The most likely reason for the tank is,
that your RHO has shortage in diamonds
but lots of points.
May main goal would be to find a lead,
which presents no gift to declarer.
With kind regards
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agreed on.
The most likely reason for the tank is,
that your RHO has shortage in diamonds
but lots of points.
May main goal would be to find a lead,
which presents no gift to declarer.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
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Posted 2007-June-30, 12:32
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Posted 2007-June-30, 13:13
A spade is better than a heart I think. I'll try the genius J too.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 13:51
obv!
Agree that a spade is best, not sure about which one.
Agree that a spade is best, not sure about which one.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 13:55
Opponent 'knows' you will lead a major. If it is critical that he has two stops in MA and one in MB, you have no idea what's what.
On the other hand, who knows what the 3NT bid is.
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Hesitation... mmm... I'd take some persuading if your choice of lead just didn't work out.
On the other hand, who knows what the 3NT bid is.
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Hesitation... mmm... I'd take some persuading if your choice of lead just didn't work out.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 15:08
What do you think RHO's hand looks like? Why are you leading the spade jack with a weak 2 bid on your left, is there some layout that you are playing for that you think is percentage?
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Posted 2007-June-30, 15:25
If I am going to lead a spade instead of a heart for reasons of not enough tempo, the King should be better than the Jack.
Justin, did you catch a lonely ♠Q, you cheater?
Justin, did you catch a lonely ♠Q, you cheater?
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Posted 2007-June-30, 15:39
I lead a low diamond
if my pard had no dia or short maybe he would take some action, so it is quite feasible we cab cut the suit off and keep throwing declarer on lead
if my pard had no dia or short maybe he would take some action, so it is quite feasible we cab cut the suit off and keep throwing declarer on lead
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Posted 2007-June-30, 15:41
Any lead would cater against Qx in dummy and 10xx in dummy.
The king would additionally work when declarer has 10xxx and dummy Qx or the stiff queen.
Only the jack would work when dummy has Qxx and declarer 10xx, and it also works on some holdings where a small lead would have worked as well (like partner with A10x and declarer with Qxx).
Of course small is the only winning lead when declarer has queen-third and partner has the ace but not the ten.
If we assume that declarer's tank suggests an open suit (and we'd better hope that the suit is spades because that is definitely the suit that we are leading) then I think that the lead of the king is slightly better than low or the jack.
The king would additionally work when declarer has 10xxx and dummy Qx or the stiff queen.
Only the jack would work when dummy has Qxx and declarer 10xx, and it also works on some holdings where a small lead would have worked as well (like partner with A10x and declarer with Qxx).
Of course small is the only winning lead when declarer has queen-third and partner has the ace but not the ten.
If we assume that declarer's tank suggests an open suit (and we'd better hope that the suit is spades because that is definitely the suit that we are leading) then I think that the lead of the king is slightly better than low or the jack.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 15:43
We need more from partner in ♥s than we do in ♠s, so I am going for the ♠ lead. A low spade risks blocking the suit when partner hods Qxxxx and declarer A10x, for example. The 9 is too confusing, not to mention that it gains nothing other than to unblock. The J seems the worst of all leads...so I am down to the King.
I am helped, in coming to this conclusion, by the title of the thread... and I don't know if I would have done this at the table, but I like the thinking behind it (even if it turns out to be flawed). I dislike 'odd' leads, but this one has compelling logic... at least, I have convinced myself that it does
I am helped, in coming to this conclusion, by the title of the thread... and I don't know if I would have done this at the table, but I like the thinking behind it (even if it turns out to be flawed). I dislike 'odd' leads, but this one has compelling logic... at least, I have convinced myself that it does
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Posted 2007-June-30, 16:18
mikeh, on Jun 30 2007, 01:43 PM, said:
We need more from partner in ♥s than we do in ♠s, so I am going for the ♠ lead. A low spade risks blocking the suit when partner hods Qxxxx and declarer A10x, for example. The 9 is too confusing, not to mention that it gains nothing other than to unblock. The J seems the worst of all leads...so I am down to the King.
I am helped, in coming to this conclusion, by the title of the thread... and I don't know if I would have done this at the table, but I like the thinking behind it (even if it turns out to be flawed). I dislike 'odd' leads, but this one has compelling logic... at least, I have convinced myself that it does
I am helped, in coming to this conclusion, by the title of the thread... and I don't know if I would have done this at the table, but I like the thinking behind it (even if it turns out to be flawed). I dislike 'odd' leads, but this one has compelling logic... at least, I have convinced myself that it does
We are getting in - probably at T2.
If pard looked like he was winning an early trick, I'd be more worried about leading a weird card.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 17:01
The spade king? Can't declarer just have like...the queen? He did bid 3N..
Ok anyways I led a spade (low seemed really normal?) and declarer had Qxx AQx --- AKQJxxx so he went down 3 (partner having the KJ of diamonds).
obv my RHO upon seeing my hand accused me of cheating lol........
This is AFTER a hand where I had JTx AQx AQJT9x x and it went 1D on my left, 1S on my right, 2D by me, pass, 3H from pard. RHO asked "what is 2D" and partner said "H+C"
Instead of trying to weasel out of this like 99 % of people would do either passing or reasoning that 3H by a partner who didnt bid 1H is impossible thus we had a misunderstanding or 3H by partner must be a splinter either way bidding 4D, I bid 4H and went -4. Whether or not this was the right thing to do is irrelevant, it clearly shows my attitude on trying to be ethical and trying not to cheat so obv my spade lead indicates that I cheat lol.
Ok anyways I led a spade (low seemed really normal?) and declarer had Qxx AQx --- AKQJxxx so he went down 3 (partner having the KJ of diamonds).
obv my RHO upon seeing my hand accused me of cheating lol........
This is AFTER a hand where I had JTx AQx AQJT9x x and it went 1D on my left, 1S on my right, 2D by me, pass, 3H from pard. RHO asked "what is 2D" and partner said "H+C"
Instead of trying to weasel out of this like 99 % of people would do either passing or reasoning that 3H by a partner who didnt bid 1H is impossible thus we had a misunderstanding or 3H by partner must be a splinter either way bidding 4D, I bid 4H and went -4. Whether or not this was the right thing to do is irrelevant, it clearly shows my attitude on trying to be ethical and trying not to cheat so obv my spade lead indicates that I cheat lol.
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Posted 2007-June-30, 21:02
You could have reported this, of course. That's absurd as an accusation.
BTW -- should you have gone down -4 in 4♥? Did you find that magic line to avoid -5?
BTW -- should you have gone down -4 in 4♥? Did you find that magic line to avoid -5?
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