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Preempts, they suck. A hand from the game last week

Poll: Your choice of call: (36 member(s) have cast votes)

Your choice of call:

  1. Double (9 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. 3NT (1 votes [2.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

  3. 4C (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 4NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Other (26 votes [72.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 72.22%

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#1 User is offline   keylime 

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  Posted 2008-April-29, 13:11

You are playing at the local game for charity pairs with a competent partner. The opps are of decent quality, and are known for aggressive bidding. You are the proud and happy owner of this hand:


Scoring: MP


Of course RHO preempts, but with 3♥ instead of the likely 3♠! What would you do, with follow-ups?
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:18

I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :)
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:18

lol @ some of the choices, I would just bid 6♣ and make them guess what to do
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:18

lol at the poll options. 4C is not forcing you know..

I would just bid 6C, seems like a practical shot. Toyed with 4N planning to convert diamonds to clubs but I think that gets us to diamonds when clubs is better too often.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:19

jdonn, on Apr 29 2008, 03:18 PM, said:

I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :)

I'd wait to have at least AKQJ10x clubs for this call if youre also going to have potential losers in the other suits.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:20

jdonn, on Apr 29 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

I can't think of anything brilliant, so I would overcall 7♣. If you told me I'm nuts and that if I'm taking this approach I should overcall 6♣, you may be right :)

Yes, I think you're definitely nuts. You need too much to get covered. Gambling on 6C seems intelligent though it could easily go down, but gambling on partner being able to cover your heart, diamond, and club in order to increase your slam bonus to a grand slam bonus is really nuts.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 13:25

For the record, the poll options are not my own - if they were, at least three other choices appear.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 16:14

6♣ is my choice. 7♣ seems like you are asking for a lot.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 16:43

ArtK78, on Apr 29 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

6♣ is my choice. 7♣ seems like you are asking for a lot.

We agree,,,7♣ requires more luck than I want to bet on .
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Posted 2008-April-29, 16:46

Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 16:53

Apollo81, on Apr 29 2008, 02:18 PM, said:

lol @ some of the choices, I would just bid 6♣ and make them guess what to do

:) Ditto
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Posted 2008-April-29, 19:03

I think 7C is considerably less than 50% Justin.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-29, 19:11

X. You may well belong in Ds of course.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 19:17

6♣
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-April-29, 19:29

Jlall, on Apr 29 2008, 05:46 PM, said:

Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes.

I would but my Dealmaster Pro is far beyond my computer ability to figure out how to use. I need to find someone local to teach me.
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Posted 2008-April-30, 03:41

6♣. I don't have anyway to show longer clubs than diamonds, so JBWYTUCM.
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Posted 2008-April-30, 09:37

Inconsistent abbreviation Nuno.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2008-April-30, 09:54

han, on Apr 30 2008, 10:37 AM, said:

Inconsistent abbreviation Nuno.

Just Bid What You Think Ulysses-S-Grant Can Make.
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Posted 2008-April-30, 09:56

6♣.

Dwayne these poll choices blow.
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Posted 2008-April-30, 11:49

Jlall, on Apr 29 2008, 11:46 PM, said:

Can anyone do a simulation? I bet 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought and we are just trained to be really risk averse with grands to an irrational point when we learn bridge. Would be interested how often 7C makes and how often 6C makes.

I dealt 50 hands and looked at them to see where I wanted to play single dummy (so not a double dummy result, just a what looks to be the right spot). This is assuming my options are 6C or 7C, so doesn't count hands where diamonds might play better.

That result was
23 hands want to play 6C
3 hands any club slam is virtually playless
24 hands want to play 7C, but on 3 of them partner might raise 6C to 7C (but might not... I decided AK of spades a heart void and 4 trumps was definitely sufficient to raise but the others were more guessy depending on how aggressive your 6C bid was)

I think that means 7C isn't as bad as I initially thought either, but it's still right to bid 6C.
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