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Posted 2010-June-07, 15:13
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Posted 2010-June-07, 15:14
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Posted 2010-June-07, 15:15
r/w? No thanks.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 15:16
Yes.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 16:35
Scoring: XIMP
Pass - (Pass) - 1♠ - (2NT*)
Pass - (3♠**) - Pass -(4♣)
Pass - (5♣) - All Pass
* Minors
** Alerted: Cuebid
Pass - (Pass) - 1♠ - (2NT*)
Pass - (3♠**) - Pass -(4♣)
Pass - (5♣) - All Pass
* Minors
** Alerted: Cuebid
You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?
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Posted 2010-June-07, 16:45
North should dobule 5♣, you have a white/red overcaller who didn't get excited opposite the cuebid against a passed hand bidder, and he has 3 very likelly tricks.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 16:46
I like to preempt but no way here R vs W at IMPs.
Even if my ♥ were ♠ and noting that 2♠ forces the opps to come in at the 3 level in a suit whereas 2♥ allows the opps to easily enter with 2♠, I'd still pass at IMPs.
Even if my ♥ were ♠ and noting that 2♠ forces the opps to come in at the 3 level in a suit whereas 2♥ allows the opps to easily enter with 2♠, I'd still pass at IMPs.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 17:10
Little Kid, on Jun 7 2010, 05:35 PM, said:
You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?
This isn't much of an ATB is it?
North can see 3 tricks and ought to double which will turn 100 into 300, not a huge triumph but you are never getting 620, and South can't do anything. If the opponents had stopped in 4♣ and played there you might have a more interesting ATB.
(If you have a way to show a weak weak 2 as south I would be happy to do that, opponents would probably be shut out now, but otherwise I think 2♥ is too much.)
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 17:15
655321, on Jun 7 2010, 06:10 PM, said:
Little Kid, on Jun 7 2010, 05:35 PM, said:
You are playing against a strong pair, ATB?
This isn't much of an ATB is it?
North can see 3 tricks and ought to double which will turn 100 into 300, not a huge triumph but you are never getting 620, and South can't do anything. If the opponents had stopped in 4♣ and played there you might have a more interesting ATB.
Never getting 620 ? Isn't 2H-P-4H end possible here.
I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 17:29
Cyberyeti, on Jun 7 2010, 06:15 PM, said:
I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.
Yes, I always feel it is a mistake to post the whole deal and expect that we won't be subconsciously influenced by knowing the par contract.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-June-07, 17:41
Little Kid, on Jun 7 2010, 04:13 PM, said:
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You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?
You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?
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Posted 2010-June-07, 18:06
No, I wouldn't open 2♥.
Regarding the rest of the auction, if West had passed 4♣, North would have passed too, presumably, and NS would have got a miserable 50 in exchange for their vulnerable game.
What should a double of 3♠ be? When South doesn't immediately support spades, the suit where we're most likely to have a fit is hearts. In that case, maybe double should be for takeout of the minors, ie showing hearts.
It's vaguely similar to this double:
1♥ 1♠ pass 2♥
dbl
which I play as a takeout double of spades.
Regarding the rest of the auction, if West had passed 4♣, North would have passed too, presumably, and NS would have got a miserable 50 in exchange for their vulnerable game.
What should a double of 3♠ be? When South doesn't immediately support spades, the suit where we're most likely to have a fit is hearts. In that case, maybe double should be for takeout of the minors, ie showing hearts.
It's vaguely similar to this double:
1♥ 1♠ pass 2♥
dbl
which I play as a takeout double of spades.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2010-June-07, 21:09
Open 2H r/w? Yes
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Posted 2010-June-08, 01:09
Would not open 2♥. We need a better suit VUL.
(Yes, I see that opening 2♥ might have worked better when partner had a great fit for ♥s. )
(Yes, I see that opening 2♥ might have worked better when partner had a great fit for ♥s. )
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Posted 2010-June-08, 01:42
Little Kid, on Jun 8 2010, 04:13 AM, said:
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You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?
You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?
NV vs V certainly. At other vulnerabilities, no.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 02:18
655321, on Jun 7 2010, 06:29 PM, said:
Cyberyeti, on Jun 7 2010, 06:15 PM, said:
I would open 2H, but then I'd open it on a much worse hand than that.
Yes, I always feel it is a mistake to post the whole deal and expect that we won't be subconsciously influenced by knowing the par contract.
At other vulnerabilities my partner and I would open a weak 2 on xxxx in 1st or 3rd, at this one 6 small and 4 small is routine for us. I meant what I said about opening hands far worse than that.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 02:56
R/W no.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 04:17
Yes, I should have let the final contract be 4♣, is anyone to blame then? Never considered the dbl of 3♠ as being take out but I suppose it is more useful? Yet it doesn't look like we could have gotten to 4♥ if the opponents resided in 4♣, assuming we don't have the option of doubling 4♠ for take out.
I admit I was a bit too conservative when not doubling 5♣ but I had figured they realised we were not competing over 4♣ so probably had a nice cross ruff going for bidding 5♣
I admit I was a bit too conservative when not doubling 5♣ but I had figured they realised we were not competing over 4♣ so probably had a nice cross ruff going for bidding 5♣
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Posted 2010-June-08, 04:37
Well I bid 3♥ over 2NT. soo me.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2010-June-08, 08:50
Sound weak2's. Deviate when 0-1 other Major; plus for 4-2 not 3-3 sides. Yup 2H.
You deal and pick up this collection. Do you open 2♥?