[bigbenvic]

quiddity, on 2012-March-23, 17:36, said:

You either misread the auction or misunderstood the 3♠ bid. It does not show a weak notrump.

I think you've misread my post (which is MY fault) I'm not suggesting a wk NT, just eliminating a strong one, so if 4243, he must be 14pts to bid 3S, anything else either opened 1nt or bids 2S. 5422 could be NT strength but didn't open 1NT, so maybe concentrated values not suited to NT or opener never opens 5422's with NT's.

[wank]

wheeling out a splinter is too much on the west hand - it' a working 16 count with pony trumps. given we know partner's only got 4 spades we need him to have 4 out of AKQ of trumps and the 2 missing bangers. he won't pass 4 spades with that.

it's not like opps bid 3h where our bids suddenly become a little shaded.

[Statto]

Vampyr, on 2012-March-23, 05:48, said:

Everyone else in this thread thinks that West can rely upon East to always deliver four spades. I don't think this method is playable; so I would have bid 1♠ as East.

There seem to be 2 schools of thought on this, one where 1♠ promises 5 due to not X-ing, and one where it's just the bid you'd have made anyway. I don't know which, if either, is better...

[Vampyr]

Statto, on 2012-March-23, 22:01, said:

There seem to be 2 schools of thought on this, one where 1♠ promises 5 due to not X-ing, and one where it's just the bid you'd have made anyway. I don't know which, if either, is better...

There is a third school of thought, in which double (or sometimes 1♠) denies 4 or more spades... and a sort of in-between where 1♠ promises 5 and double may or may not have 4 spades.

[wank]

Vampyr, on 2012-March-24, 06:47, said:

and a sort of in-between where 1♠ promises 5 and double may or may not have 4 spades.

that's not a style. that's an error.