Partner opens 1nt (15-17) and RHO overcalls 3♥. Both vulnerable, IMPs
how do you handle this
#1
Posted 2012-August-11, 18:04
Partner opens 1nt (15-17) and RHO overcalls 3♥. Both vulnerable, IMPs
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#2
Posted 2012-August-11, 18:27
jillybean, on 2012-August-11, 18:04, said:
Partner opens 1nt (15-17) and RHO overcalls 3♥. Both vulnerable, IMPs
2 methods that work reasonably well but give up on a direct
penalty x
1. x is negative fits this hand perfectly 4 spades and game going values
2. 3n game going values no heart stop
x = game going values with heart stop
this methods would miss out on spade fit but comes up with a lot of
frequency and even gets in some good penalty x when p leaves it in.
you can also use this method to try and penalize 3h just dont be surprised
if to wants to play 3n depending on vulnerability.
like all systems there is no one bid gets everything and sometimes preempts work
if they didnt noone would ever preempt. Whatever your system make sure you can
do something when you have game forcing values.
#3
Posted 2012-August-11, 21:38
#4
Posted 2012-August-12, 02:33
3S denies 4 spades, looking for 3NT
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4H = 6+ spades
4S = both minors
- hrothgar
#5
Posted 2012-August-12, 09:18
han, on 2012-August-12, 02:33, said:
3S denies 4 spades, looking for 3NT
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4H = 6+ spades
4S = both minors
I like this. We play Dbl = 4+ spades and 3S 6+ spades so this is a huge improvement
and probaly means we should take another look at transfers/interference as a general rule.
Is 3N to play?
edit: we play neg doubles at both the 2&3 levels
(still learning)
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#6
Posted 2012-August-12, 10:07
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#7
Posted 2012-August-12, 10:52
jillybean, on 2012-August-12, 09:18, said:
and probaly means we should take another look at transfers/interference as a general rule.
Is 3N to play?
Yes, 3NT is to play, I forgot the most important bid!
Playing negative doubles most people would play 3S as 5+ btw.
I think that switching 4C and 4D is probably a good idea, but these little things are marginal. If you or your partner is prone to forget such things, better not play them. However, if you often switch suits in similar auctions (for example, switch 3H and 3S after 1NT - (3D)), then it may make remembering it easier if you play it in all similar auctions. But again, this is all marginal and if you have an accident forgetting these conventions once a year, you are probably better off not playing them.
- hrothgar
#8
Posted 2012-August-13, 04:45
#9
Posted 2012-August-13, 05:14
- hrothgar
#10
Posted 2012-August-13, 06:13
I play double for takeout over NT interference (albeit a weak NT) - prefer this to any kind of lebensohl nonsense. This hand fits perfectly for a X. (Hmm - is it "an X" since it's read as "an eks", or is it "a X" since it's read as "a double"? )
ahydra
#11
Posted 2012-August-13, 07:37
1N (3H)
X 4 spades (can be passed)
3S denies spades, looking for stopper
3N to play
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4H = 6+ spades
4S = both minors (slammish?)
4N = both minors
1N (3S)
X 4 hearts
3N to play
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4S = 6+ hearts
4N = both minors
1N (3D)
X = one or both M (4cards)
3H = 5+ spades
3S = 5+ hearts
3N to play
4C = diamonds ?
4D = clubs
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson
#12
Posted 2012-August-13, 07:55
jillybean, on 2012-August-13, 07:37, said:
1N (3S)
X 4 hearts
3N to play
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
4S = 6+ hearts
Note that 4S is higher ranking than 4H, so you don't want to play this. We play:
4C = diamonds
4D = hearts
4H = clubs
4S = minors
Quote
X = one or both M (4cards)
3H = 5 spades
2S = 5 hearts
3H/3S = 6+
4C = diamonds
4D = clubs
2S is not a legal bid, and you don't really need a bid for diamonds when they bid 3D. We play:
3H = spades
3S = hearts
3NT = to play
4C = clubs
4D = both majors
4H, 4S = to play.
And over 3C:
3D = hearts
3H = spades
3S = diamonds
3NT = to play
4C = diamonds and a major
4D = both majors
4M = to play.
For most people I'd suggest playing double as negative and all simple suit bids as natural and forcing. Then after (3m) I'd play 4m as both majors, and after (3M) I'd play 4M as both minors, slam interest. This is a very reasonable structure, and not hard to remember. I like the structure I play, but I only play it with my regular partner with whom I play all serious events. With less regular partners with whom I spend less time discussing system I play more natural. It hasn't made a difference yet.
(Disclaimer: In Philly I was playing with a good but first time partner. It went 1D - (1S) - 2H. We both play with our regular partners that 2C shows hearts here, but both assumed we were not playing this with eachother. This time it cost 7 IMPs. However, since overcalls after suit openings are many times more frequent than jump overcalls after 1NT openings.)
- hrothgar
#13
Posted 2012-August-13, 07:57
Also, 1NT - (3X) - 3Y shows 5+, not 6+.
- hrothgar
#14
Posted 2012-August-13, 08:34
(still learning)
"At last: just calm down, this kind of disrupted boards happens every day in our bridge community. It will always be an inherent part of bridge until we move to a modern platform, and then will we have other hopefully less frequent issues." P Swennson