[hrothgar]

Relay Responder
♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

[hrothgar]

hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 09:07, said:

Relay Responder
♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

MOSCITO auction.

3♥ - 3♠
4♣ - 4♥
4♠ - 5♣
5♦ - 5♥
Pass

3♥ asks for QPs
3♠ shows 6
4♣ starts the scan
4♥ shows the 1-2 controls in Hearts and 0 or 3 in Spades

At this point, RR is marked with the K of Hearts and the AQ of Diamonds

If RR holds the Q of clubs (which we can't ask for) the slam looks to be 50% (We'll pitch 2 Diamonds on the Clubs hope that the Spade Ace is on side)
If RR holds the Jack of Spades, slam also seems reasonable, so lets see if we can find that

4♠ asks for Diamond control
5♣ shows 1-2 controls in Diamonds and denies a second heart control
5♦ asks about Spades
5♥ denies the Spade Jack

At this point in time, the relay asker gives up

[straube]

hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 09:07, said:

Relay Responder
♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

Straube

3♥-3♠ QP ask, 6
4♥

[rbforster]

hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 09:07, said:

Relay Responder
♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

Abstain - my methods would not end up in a relay auction on this set of hands. Generally a specific 5431 shape with GF values would be shown with 3♦, which then might proceed:

3♠ - 4♦ RKC ♥ (don't like QPs with an open side suit); 2 no Q
4♠ - 5♥ spade suit control ask; no AKQ (so A♦ / k♥)
P

Partner must have something more than just his two key cards for a GF, but throw in a major suit Jack or two and slams still bad with a likely diamond and spade loser. Yes, he could also have the K♦, but we're too high to tell.

[awm]

.. 3♦ = shape resolution
3♥ - 3♠ (QP relay, 5-6 QP)

Is a good slam even possible? Jxxx Kxxxx Axx Q is cold, and 5♥ is usually safe, so it's worth a try:

4♣ - 4♠ (relay, 6QP with one or three top hearts and zero or two top spades)

We know heart king and no spade honor, so ignoring jacks it's xxxx Kxxxx AQx x or xxxx Kxxxx KQx Q or xxxx Kxxxx Axx Q. The first is on a finesse if the spade jack is present and otherwise quite bad; the second has no play off two aces, and the third is cold if the spade jack is present and on a finesse if not. Only in the third case is it worth bidding slam; fortunately another ask will distinguish the cases (4N ask and partner bids 5♣ with two diamond honors as in the first two cases and 5♠ showing one diamond, one club, and heart king in the last).

4N - 5♣ (relay, zero or two stop diamonds)
5♥ - Pass

We are perhaps a level higher than we'd like to be, but 5♥ will make the vast majority of the time.

[akhare]

hrothgar, on 2013-July-27, 09:07, said:

Relay Responder
♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Relay Asker
♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

...3♦

Since responder must have at least two key cards to have any hope:

3♠ - 4♦ (RKC ♥; A♦, K♥ perforce)

Things are looking brighter, but since 4♠ ask looking for !spades controls is meaningless, 4N looking for information about ♦:

4N - 5♦ (♦ ask; Q or AK or ♦)
5♥ (sign off)

Note that in the above, I am assuming that since we already showed the Ace of diamonds, 5♦ unambiguously shows Q♦

See corrected auction below.

[straube]

akhare, on 2013-July-27, 11:18, said:

...3♦

Since responder must have at least two key cards to have any hope:

3♠ - 4♦ (RKC ♥, A♦, K♥ perforce)

Things are looking brighter, but since 4♠ ask looking for !spades controls is meaningless, 4N looking for information about ♦:

4N - 5♦ (♦ ask; Q or AK or ♦; known to be former)
5♥ (sign off)

After 2 without Q you don't know that partner can't have the SA/HK or SA/DA combinations. I'm wondering if this is a good hand for RKC.

[akhare]

straube, on 2013-July-27, 11:22, said:

After 2 without Q you don't know that partner can't have the SA/HK or SA/DA combinations. I'm wondering if this is a good hand for RKC.

Yes...just realized that flaw. I think RKC is pretty decent here:

..3♦

Since responder must have at least two key cards to have any hope:

3♠ - 4♦ (RKC ♥; two key cards including K♥)

Things are looking brighter:

4N - 5♥ (♠ ask; (no ♠ control, ergo K♥/A♦)

[PrecisionL]

Responder:

♠ 9875
♥ K8732
♦ AQ5
♣ 6

Opener:

♠ KQ2
♥ AQT94
♦ 82
♣ AKJ

Ultra Club Relay / Copious Canape Club:
1♣ 16+ - 1NT 54 or better majors or any 5-5 hand, G.F.
2♣ RELAY - 2♦ Hearts longer
2♥ RELAY - 2♠ Exactly 4=5=3=1
3♥ Trumps & BETA - 3NT 3 Controls (A=2, K=1)
4♥ - p

Only 9 controls and duplication of values in ♣

P.S. Assuming IMPs scoring ...

[benlessard]

Method 1--

3H (RKC H)---4C (2noQ)
4D (ask Ks)---4H (no)
4S (ask for KD)----4Nt (no)
5H

note here that instead of 4D
4H would be to play 4S would ask the 3rd card..so that why i have to ask Ks even if i have it
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Method 2

3H (ask for A)---3S (14)
3Nt (ask forKQ H)---4D (odd (1) but no Ks)
4S (ask for KD)----4Nt (no)
5H

its possible that 4H hoping RR can go on (instead of 4S) is better.

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In my system it will go (method 1)

1C--1D
2H--2NT (4H, 18-20 bal or clubs)--(GF fit unbal at least mildy slammsih)
4C--4H (2+Q+Ks+Kc no Kd)

or (method 2)

1C--1D
2H--2NT
4D--4H 2 aces, K/QH +Ks +Kc no Kd) ---soff


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Tough hand if you have the J of S and the contract is played by north its an excellent slam.

My system is there

http://downagain.be/FD/public.php
but I cant log in anymore so its not updated.

or here

https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing
but you need old bbo (full install not the web version) to access with a small & old program called full disclosure.

[benlessard]

Quote

5♦ asks about Spades
5♥ denies the Spade Jack

Is there a reason you do the SJ before the 2nd round of D and before the J of H ?

Could responder hold Ace of H and KQ of D Versus AH/AD ?

[Free]

straube, on 2013-July-27, 09:44, said:

3♥-3♠ QP ask, 6
4♥

Same here, 6 QP's is not enough imo. Even with ♠J, the contract is wrongsided in MOSCITO...

Btw, if I'd ask further (3NT instead of 4♣), I'd have the same auction as Richard but one step lower, which is a problem to signoff in 5♥. So for me it's useless to start the scan, even if the contract would be rightsided.

[akhare]

straube, on 2013-July-27, 09:44, said:

Straube

3♥-3♠ QP ask, 6
4♥

Given that Axxx xxxxx KQx x or Axxx xxxxx Axx x is a possibility, a direct sign off in 4♥ seems pretty conservative (assuming we are going the 50%+ slam yardstick)...

[benlessard]

Axxx xxxxx KQx x slam is just 39% here. 50% only if you hold J of H.

However I agree that slam is pretty good versus 2 aces.