[jillybean]

So our afternoon game was good but the hands this evening were distributional and I made some bad mistakes, we dropped 10%

2 hands that took me off guard:

#1 uncontested auction: 1♥ 2♦ 3♦ 3♥ 3♠

if you are not a bbfer , 3♠ is ?

#2 (1♦) X (P) 2♦

same question, 2♦ is ?

[mike777]

1) 3s is forcing bid natural(3h=slam try in h) Ax...AKxxx...Kxxx..xx
2) 2d is forcing..just rebid natural(make your natural rebid)

[the hog]

3S is a cue bid.
Disagree with Mike about 2D. 2D = pick a Major.

[paulg]

I think I agree with Mike about 2♦ - I play it as forcing to suit agreement implying invitational or better values. So the auction can finish at 3M if I simply raise partner's major suit.

[Zelandakh]

paulg, on 2015-January-03, 02:39, said:

I think I agree with Mike about 2♦ - I play it as forcing to suit agreement implying invitational or better values. So the auction can finish at 3M if I simply raise partner's major suit.

Not sure these things are mutually exclusive, esepcially if Ron uses a doubling style that guarantees a 4 card major. If not then the only real time there is conflict is holding something like 3325, where the "natural" call would be 3♣ or 2NT. But many play these as promising the big hand and have to bid a 3 card major instead. If so then both descriptions are essentially the same (just that yours has better disclosure).

[ahydra]

3S = cue for H. How strong it is depends on whether you're playing 2/1 or not.

2D = "values, no clear direction", e.g. 4-4 in two suits with about 9 points. (May not be both majors - I prefer a style where jumps after TOX promise 5 cards. But doubler should default to rebidding a major if he has one)

ahydra

[jillybean]

#1 3♠ was interpreted as bidding out my shape , showing a 3 suited hand.

The rest of the auction was my fault, I pushed to a ♥ slam thinking partner had 5 diamonds, 2-3 hearts when in fact he had
AKJ7,763,Q653,QJ

#2 The complete auction:
1♦ x P 2♦
3♦ P P 3♥

Dummy, J542,KQ6,T7,AQJ6


I was surprised at how far apart we were on cue bidding.

[cherdano]

Zelandakh, on 2015-January-03, 04:40, said:

Not sure these things are mutually exclusive, esepcially if Ron uses a doubling style that guarantees a 4 card major. If not then the only real time there is conflict is holding something like 3325, where the "natural" call would be 3♣ or 2NT. But many play these as promising the big hand and have to bid a 3 card major instead. If so then both descriptions are essentially the same (just that yours has better disclosure).

I am not sure this is what Ron meant, but many play 2D as not promising a rebid if partner bids 2M. In that style, the most typical hand for 2D would be 4=4 in the majors with 9-11 hcp, intending to pass 2M.
This means opener has to do something else with extras.

[paulg]

jillybean, on 2015-January-03, 08:51, said:

#1 3♠ was interpreted as bidding out my shape , showing a 3 suited hand.

The rest of the auction was my fault, I pushed to a ♥ slam thinking partner had 5 diamonds, 2-3 hearts when in fact he had
AKJ7,763,Q653,QJ

#2 The complete auction:
1♦ x P 2♦
3♦ P P 3♥

Dummy, J542,KQ6,T7,AQJ6


I was surprised at how far apart we were on cue bidding.

Your partner seems to have developed an allergy to bidding the spade suit. Hard to play with this style unless it's diagnosed first.

[jillybean]

paulg, on 2015-January-03, 10:23, said:

Your partner seems to have developed an allergy to bidding the spade suit. Hard to play with this style unless it's diagnosed first.

Yes, I wondered about that, 2♦ was to create a game force. We were playing nmf and 4sf

[chasetb]

On the first one, I ALWAYS expect 5+ ♦ for 1♥-2♦, partner not starting with 1♠ because they "have to GF" is absurd. I've come around to 1♥ - 2♣ on 4♠-4♣ GF hands, but this is something else.

On the second one, the 2♦ bid was great, but the 3♥ bid is nuts!

[jillybean]

chasetb, on 2015-January-03, 10:43, said:

On the second one, the 2♦ bid was great, but the 3♥ bid is nuts!

Really, do you pass?

[PhilKing]

chasetb, on 2015-January-03, 10:43, said:

On the second one, the 2♦ bid was great, but the 3♥ bid is nuts!

I think you have misread - the PASS of 3♥ is nuts (we have yet to see the hand that BID 3♥).

[jillybean]

chasetb, on 2015-January-03, 10:43, said:

On the second one, the 2♦ bid was great, but the 3♥ bid is nuts!

Ok, I must have misread

My hand is KQ86,AT98,Q2,T75

[rmnka447]

Hand #1 - I'd ask why isn't partner replying 1 ♠ rather than bidding 2 on such an anemic ♦ suit. After 1 ♥ - 2 ♦ - 3 ♦, I'd make a fast arrival signoff at 4 ♥ with partner's hand. Your hand is showing 8+ cards in the red suits, so the bulk of partner's points are less likely to be working or useful.

After 3 ♥, I'd take the 3 ♠ bid as being a control.

Hand #2 - 2 ♦ shows a good hand at least 11-12+. So after the 3 ♥ bid, I think doubler owes you another bid. Since you're 4-4 in the majors and in reopening position, might you consider a reopening double and let partner pick the major. Or would that have some other meaning the way you play?

[the hog]

cherdano, on 2015-January-03, 09:00, said:

I am not sure this is what Ron meant, but many play 2D as not promising a rebid if partner bids 2M. In that style, the most typical hand for 2D would be 4=4 in the majors with 9-11 hcp, intending to pass 2M.
This means opener has to do something else with extras.

This is indeed what I meant. Thank you, Arend.