[eagles123]

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2 spades is a weak 2, 3h says nothing about spades

my question is, is 4s cue for hearts? I think so but didn't want to try it out on my partner! (my hand was - vul against not)

AKxxxx
Txxx
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Jtx

thanks
Eagles

[ArtK78]

Interesting idea. I would put this under the heading of a bid that makes sense that no one would ever work out at the table.

As long as you are by-passing 4♥ in order to cue bid in support of hearts, 5♦ would be a lot clearer. Not only do you have control of diamonds (a happy coincidence) but any cue bid in support of hearts at the 5 level strongly implies (if not guarantees) control of spades. How could you possibly have a slam try in support of hearts without very useful cards such as AK of spades and a void in diamonds? It is almost inconceivable.

[wank]

i would never have that hand for a 2s opener. you have a huge hand for hearts. ak of spades are good in any suit. your xxxx of hearts is far more use for ruffing diamonds in hearts than it ever would be in spades. many english people seem to think a weak 2 just shows a 6 card suit and a hand too weak to open at the 1 level, but that's only part of it. it shows a high ODR and shouldn't be overly playable in unbid majors, because it's very difficult to find alternate fits after a weak 2.

[eagles123]

wank, on 2015-June-30, 14:08, said:

i would never have that hand for a 2s opener. you have a huge hand for hearts. ak of spades are good in any suit. your xxxx of hearts is far more use for ruffing diamonds in hearts than it ever would be in spades. many english people seem to think a weak 2 just shows a 6 card suit and a hand too weak to open at the 1 level, but that's only part of it. it shows a high ODR and shouldn't be overly playable in unbid majors, because it's very difficult to find alternate fits after a weak 2.

Interesting, thanks. I like to think I'm very disciplined with vul weak 2's but I can see that this hand is too good possibly

[SteveMoe]

While I wouldn't practice 2♠ here, 4♥ seems the best way to tell partner that you have extras. It's easier to imagine 4-card support. 4♠ conjures ♠AKxxxx ♥- ♦Jxxx ♣J10x

[helene_t]

You can't force to the 5-level no matter how fantastic your hand is for hearts. P might have less than GF values. He might even have spade support with a lead director in hearts. You can agree on a sexy meaning for dbl in this spot but other than that, 4♥ is all you can do.

[gszes]

What would you bid with (over 4d) KQJTxx Kx x xxxx I submit 4s would seem like a very rational choice with this hopefully 1 loser max suit. Since it is reasonable for 4s to be natural it takes a partnership agreement to change the natural meaning. I echo the 5d bid as a vastly superior way to raise hearts and show slam interest.