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Another pre-empt question Would you pre-empt here

#1 User is offline   thepossum 

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Posted 2022-October-20, 00:58



I debated for ages (with myself) between 1,3 and 4 and ended up being in the majority on 4S

What do you reckon the best bid is? MPs
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Posted 2022-October-20, 05:08

NO. One opp has passed and you have the top suit , a opening hand and a easy rebid. Open 1
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Posted 2022-October-20, 08:13

I would not pre-empt here, but for a different reason - too much defence (or at least unexpected defence). When the opponents bid over, partner will misguess what to do - and even if it's -50 into +50, that's a problem.

I don't like 1 - like the other thread, partner will game force with hands that have no hope - but I'll do it, and apologize when we lose two trumps and two tricks in 4 (and hope that RKC stops me in a making 5 when partner has the even stronger hand). I also am concerned that my defence is poor - yes, the same defence I said was too much for a preempt - and I'll feel uncomfortable when partner doubles 3 or 4, but again, what if I pull a penalty double to a minus score?

But the big question - here and in the other thread - is "what does your partner expect from a pre-empt"? Not what I do, or David, or...
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Posted 2022-October-20, 08:25

Rule of 20 suggests 1
I prefer 2/3 honours for 4
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Posted 2022-October-20, 09:10

I agree with 1S, whatever partner expects from 4S in first seat.
I'm less certain about my rebid after a game forcing 2C (may be fit) however, particularly if 2S can be 5 cards.
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Posted 2022-October-20, 17:40

If you bid 1S you don't get the best result or 4 for that matter - but we were the majority :) EDIT - a few even passed and ended up at 4 anyway


I don't know what happens if you bid 3, nobody bid 3

Will post the situation a bit later - but 3 was a good assessment - I wish I had been the one person that bid it :lol:

I totally failed using my 234 rule I think anyway given that it appears to have 7-8 tricks + 3 = 10-11 Close

I think Mr Pavlicek's hand evaluator gave that a K-R of something above 13

As for my partner it? would usually expect 8+ spades and 5-9 pts. It? has a tendency to preempt with strong suits sometimes. I know it is not a classic preempt because of the other honors
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Posted 2022-October-21, 13:25

Too good for a pre-empt and the offense:defence ratio is sub-optimal, I open 1. The fact that it doesn't end up as well as opening a pre-empt is irrelevant. Bridge is a game of probabilities and there is often a chance the best action gets a poor result and vice versa. If bridge was a game of perfect justice I suspect few would play it.
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Posted 2022-October-21, 13:35

Hi,

I prefer 4S, in my partnership this may even be a tad to weak for 4S for 2nd pos.

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Posted 2022-October-21, 16:52

Sorry, after much clamouring and excitement, here is the hand. I just regret not bidding 3 :)
Top score was a weak 2


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Posted 2022-December-19, 09:02

I'm suprised that no one wants to bid 3.
4 promises a 8 card suit or a AKQ 7 card suit that is too weak to open 4 (Namyats) for me.
At first/second seat, I would open 3 with 2/3 honors with maximum a side A
1 with 3Ks and a Jack is just too much for me
So I would pass.
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Posted 2022-December-19, 12:44

1s 2h
2s 3h
4h
Decent contract, goes down on this unlucky split
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Posted 2022-December-19, 13:58

View Posthelene_t, on 2022-December-19, 12:44, said:

1s 2h
2s 3h
4h
Decent contract, goes down on this unlucky split

Not sure it would or even should make with a normal hearts split, the spades are pretty poor and partner did not promise help.

My stomach rejects unilateral auctions, but I would still have more faith in the following:
1s 2h
2s 3h
4s p.
A decent (English English) punt at any rate.
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