Bidding Over Weak 5-5's The Misadventures of Rex and Jay # 843
#1
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:08
#2
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:24
#3
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:25
Peter
#4
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:34
Of course, I won't like 3♦ (4♥) x P either
This is very, very close and maybe I am being braver (more foolish?) on paper than I would at the table, but I am voting for 3♦. I think that this is the winning bid more often than not. I fall back on the dictum that the partner who is short in the opps' suit should be the one to stretch.
I would not be surprised to learn that I have created a nightmare
BTW, thx for the ♦98: without which I would pass
#5
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:41
#6
Posted 2005-November-21, 12:51
microcap, on Nov 21 2005, 01:41 PM, said:
Thanks:))) While the difference may seem subtle, I don't mind playing 3♦ doubled opposite Kxx Qxxxx x Axx with LHO holding AK432 of trump
I do mind if he holds AK987
#7
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:02
having played a system where we play two suited weak twos people who tend to bid with nothing do get lucky once in awhile but they also go for numbers
#8
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:11
As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act?
#9
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:11
I have a normal 2 level overcall,
a bit light, but thats is.
The 6th card and the intermediate cards
are enough compensation.
Marlowe
PS: With QJ10432 in diamonds, the call
gets a bit dubious, but still I would make
the call, and I stand to it.
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#10
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:14
microcap, on Nov 21 2005, 02:11 PM, said:
As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act?
No.
With kind regards
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#11
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:17
microcap, on Nov 21 2005, 02:11 PM, said:
As Mike predicted, LHO bids 4♥, partner passes, RHO passes, now back to you. Do you act?
No. The time to be a hero was over 2♥.
Passing and bidding is insane: I don't care if it works: if a partner of mine did it, he or she would no longer be a partner of mine: my heart can't stand playing with Superman or any other caped crusader. If I was forced to do something other than pass, I'd bid 4♠. That's how insane 5♦ is: 4♠ (an absurd bid that could be justified only by a magic dummy)is better than 5♦
#12
Posted 2005-November-21, 13:29
I expect to hear 4♥ on my left no matter what I do.
If I pass, we are likely done bidding. I am guessing that 4♥ will make most of the time despite a horrible trump stack. Positioning myself to defend with a hand that has less than one and one-half defensive tricks and six winners makes no sense to me.
If I double and partner has spades, we should be OK. If partner has a good club suit, that's OK too with the heart ruffs coming in the short hand. If partner passes, so can I. If partner doubles 4♥, I am going to have to bid 5♦ and hope for the best.
If I bid 3♦, I will lose the spade suit unless I slide with 4♠ when 4♥ comes around to me. Bidding that way is too exciting for me.
Now, let's consider what Mike's FTL analysis tells us. With the outstanding high cards split evenly, we figure to take 11 tricks: 13 - 2 (pard's doubleton) - 0 (20 working points). It might be only ten, if pard has wasted heart honors or is the lesser of the two unheard from hands. GOTTA BID
What about LOTT? I can see nine diamonds, nine hearts, a two suit fit and a void. That would be 20 tricks for my baseline estimate (of course it could be less, but it might just as likely be more). GOTTA BID
As far as what to do over a hypothetical 4♥ -Pass - Pass - ???, I think sheer consistency requires that I make a second really hopeless bid, maybe 4♠
#14
Posted 2005-November-22, 05:51
3♦ or nothing at all, this hand: nothing
#16
Posted 2005-November-22, 06:36
LHO- 2♥, Partner passes, RHO jumps to 4♥, you pass, LHO passes, now Partner doubles. Do you bid or let it sit?
#17
Posted 2005-November-22, 06:42
since partners dbl is penalty, we know he doesnt have one,
but in theory at least, the double is penalty, and since I have
two defencive tricks in diamond (??? should I know that partner has a 6 carder)
and one likely in clubs, I pass.
Marlowe
Uwe Gebhardt (P_Marlowe)
#18
Posted 2005-November-22, 08:31
#19
Posted 2005-November-22, 08:39
microcap, on Nov 22 2005, 05:36 AM, said:
Student: Sir, how do I bid this hand?
Teacher: Under an alias